Heart Surgeon Speaks Out (Alli, NutriSystem, Weight Watchers, system)

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by Luckyd609

I am not buying into the eat all the meat and fat you want and lose weight. The reason people lose weight on high protein and fat diets is because they feel full so they eat less.

I think you just bought into it.

[Luckyd609]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

I think you just bought into it.

No I didn't. I am not denying people will lose weight initially. But I know more people that have tried that approach and failed because they cannot sustain restricting food groups for extended periods of time. That is the number one reason people fail on low carb diets.

[Luckyd609]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Glad you found what worked for you. Why did you do Atkins in the first place, out of curiosity?

Because friends were on it and successful in losing weight. None of them currently adhere to eating low carb. They all failed after about 3 to 6 months.
The failure rate is extremely high on Atkins.

[jerseygal4u]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

You can lose weight on 3000 calories per day and not exercise? How much do you weigh?

That's question I asked on my thread. Is that possible to lose weight on 3000 cal day even if he exercises for an hr a day?

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by Luckyd609

No I didn't. I am not denying people will lose weight initially. But I know more people that have tried that approach and failed because they cannot sustain restricting food groups for extended periods of time. That is the number one reason people fail on low carb diets.

The number one reason people fail on restricted calorie diets is they are hungry all the time.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by Luckyd609

No I didn't. I am not denying people will lose weight initially. But I know more people that have tried that approach and failed because they cannot sustain restricting food groups for extended periods of time. That is the number one reason people fail on low carb diets.

Here's where I'm with you: I don't understand why people categorically restrict grains (except those with, say, celiac) and dairy (except those with lactose intolerance). I guess just telling people to eat twice as much meat and butter and half the bread and potatoes isn't gimmicky enough for them to believe in, so they only think they'll see benefits if they sacrifice the grains entirely. People are hyper goal-oriented, and framing it as teaching their body to feel full after 10 fries instead of 40 doesn't hold their interest -- it has to be some ridiculous test of willpower they can brag to others about, like never eating grains again. It's silly, and you're right -- it never works.

Here's where the misunderstanding is, though: just because those who categorically avoid grains often eat a lot of animal protein and fat DOES NOT invalidate that aspect of low-carb. A lot of people really turn themselves around simply by trading carb calories for fat and protein.

I don't have a limit on grains, I just find out I don't need nearly as much as I did before, because I finish dinner early, don't snack, and of course, eat a ton of animal protein and fat. Typically, I'll have a small portion of starch at breakfast (one piece of toast), a small one at lunch (a small bowl of pasta, I'll typically go to a cafeteria near work and eat 1/3 to 1/2 of what they give me), and none at dinner. It's nowhere near the recommended 6-11 servings, but it doesn't feel restrictive at all. I'm never hungry, they could open up a Cinnabon in my office and I'd never touch it. This is 180 degrees from where I was before.

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by Luckyd609

Because friends were on it and successful in losing weight. None of them currently adhere to eating low carb. They all failed after about 3 to 6 months.
The failure rate is extremely high on Atkins.

I believe the failure rate on Atkins is better than most diets, including restricted calorie diets.

And that makes sense, because if you do Atkins correctly, you can eat until you are satisfied. And by the way, very little is completely restricted from you on Atkins if you do it correctly. Obviously sugar and the very refined carbs are out, but not much else.

[d2mini]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

You can lose weight on 3000 calories per day and not exercise? How much do you weigh?

Oh now you want to be serious? What happened to 500 calories?

I'm only 153 lbs with a 29-30" pant waist size now, so no... i could not eat 3000 even if i tried. I was thinking of someone who actually had a lot of weight to lose and/or someone who is already eating that much or more.
I don't count calories anymore but I sure as heck easily reach 2000 and I am FULL. Completely satisfied. I'm not restricting calories at all, that is my point. Which is why it's so easy to stick to, especially if you toss in a cheat meal or two... which some say actually helps with weight loss. I'm not so sure it effects the weight loss either way for me but I like it. And then seeing the blood test results is icing on the cake... so to speak of course.

[d2mini]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Here's where I'm with you: I don't understand why people categorically restrict grains (except those with, say, celiac) and dairy (except those with lactose intolerance). I guess just telling people to eat twice as much meat and butter and half the bread and potatoes isn't gimmicky enough for them to believe in, so they only think they'll see benefits if they sacrifice the grains entirely. People are hyper goal-oriented, and framing it as teaching their body to feel full after 10 fries instead of 40 doesn't hold their interest -- it has to be some ridiculous test of willpower they can brag to others about, like never eating grains again. It's silly, and you're right -- it never works.

The reason is there is nothing out there that says we need them.
Grains by themselves overall are pretty tastless/nasty.
Sure if you mix them with butter and sugar they taste great! But what doesn't?
Why Grains Are Unhealthy | Mark's Daily Apple

I have zero cravings for bread now. I don't know why everyone makes such a big deal about this... like it's the end of the world. It's no different than a smoker and their nicotine.
I'll do some pasta as a side dish now and then as a treat, not that big a deal. But again, it's my mom's sauce that makes it taste good.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

I don't understand why people categorically restrict grains (except those with, say, celiac) and dairy (except those with lactose intolerance). I guess just telling people to eat twice as much meat and butter and half the bread and potatoes isn't gimmicky enough for them to believe in, so they only think they'll see benefits if they sacrifice the grains entirely.

That's because they listen to the people who haven't read the Atkins or South Beach books, which are about more than "meat and butter".