Why are people vegans? (Alli, overweight, doctor, calorie)
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To learn about milk you can research the dairy industry. In order to produce a constant flow of milk, cows are artificially insemination on a "rape rack." Then when the calf is born it's taken from the mother and put in a small pen until it's butchered for veal. Both the cow and the calf wail inconsolably for days.
There is really no reason to drink milk since other milks are so delicious and don't have the allowed percentage of pus the government stipulates as acceptable.
Your talking about the massive farms that crank out diary on a huge scale. You can find smaller local farms that don't use "rape racks" or take the calf for veal. Fresh butter from those small farm cows is light years better than store bought. Same with cheeses made from their milk. It'll cost more, but it's worth it.
I have a friend at work that I'll sometimes get eggs from. She has 30 hens and they are outside everyday, eating what they want naturally. They aren't mistreated at all. The only thing they stress over is the occasional coyote coming around.
I don't know where you live, but a small diary farm shouldn't be to hard to find one. Farmer's markets are a good place too.
I know I'm not going to change your mind on this subject, I'm just saying you can find humane farms and well treated animals.
I have seen films of the chicken farms that kill the male chicks since they don't lay the eggs. They put them in a big plastic bag and grind then up while still alive.
The word cruelty is intense enough, descriptions aren't needed for me, personally....i think I've heard enough...I haven't had anything, but organic in many years...
Sooooo, it isn't about just about toxins and health. Ok.
I was not aware the vegan stuff extended to honey, silk...for example....Eggs I'm not seeing either...
BUT~! If this is too hot a topic...I'll ask for it to be shut down...it was not meant to offend or change people!
I think it is a good question. I thought that most people knew this.
The only way that I will eat eggs are from small egg producers who share my values, when it comes to animals.
I am not a vegan, and I know very few vegans. I admire them though.
As for myself, I try to eat a plant based diet - meaning half of everything I eat is vegetable or fruit based.
The dairy industry is as cruel as the meat industry. Maybe worse. As KaraZ said, I have no need to drink milk because there are so many dairy milk substitutes, that I do not need "real milk". Personally, I prefer oat milk.
MANY people are doing this, for health and environmental reasons. I don't live in a particularly "hip" area. but there are a variety of milk substitutes available in my local, non specialty supermarket. Almost as many as dairy milk. I am not the only person buying the stuff.
The only milk I ever gave my son, was from myself.
I have included some wild caught sea food and fish into my diet, but I eat much less cheese than I once did. I was once a "lacto-ovo vegetarian" but I became more sensitized to dairy products and how intertwined they are with the meat industry. Essentially, one would not exist without the other.
Delicious vegan cheese exists online and in specialty shops. The type available in my area, is just not that good, but I'd say that I eat cheese sparingly now. Since I am 61, I really do not need high fat, high cholesterol foods in my diet. I miss cheese more than I do meat.
I think the "taste" for these foods fades as you stop eating it.
In terms of meat from cows, pigs and other mammals or poultry, I have not eaten any since 1989. I have no plans to eat them in the future.
As with many people, I try to cause as little harm as I can to other creatures and to the earth. I am far from perfect. I try to be a "harm reductionist".
Eggs are a whole other, hideous story. Just know that the industries that produce and market these products are lying to us. They don't want us to know the truth.
So veganism is about animal rights? Just source all your food better. I don't eat vegetables full of pesticides from factory farms either. (Proto-) humans have canine and back molar teeth (predators), we've been eating meat for 6 million years.
Last edited by Danbo1957; 03-25-2019 at 04:35 AM..
So veganism is about animal rights? Just source all your food better. I don't eat vegetables full of pesticides from factory farms either. (Proto-) humans have canine and back molar teeth (predators), we've been eating meat for 6 million years.
There is a whole set of sort of standard arguments that vegans and carnivores get into: the teeth issue, the Bible issue, the "we have always done it" issue. None of that amounts to a hill of beans when one becomes aware of the suffering of these sentient beings, who have evolved right alongside us.
We should not waste CD bandwidth regurgitating these arguments. After so many years, I find it tiresome. Also a good way to get the thread closed down! The OP said she'd heard enough and I will abide by her remark.
Gary has a video on Dairy. You need a Google account, I think. PM me if you want the YouTube link.
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