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Old 06-27-2010, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Mountains of middle TN
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The two girls have wicked flea allergies. Of all months I chose to try a new product and not use Frontline, had to be the month we brought the girls in! For the record, don't waste your money on Revolution!!! We spent nearly $300 to treat all the dogs in the rescue this month, hoping that the Revolution would do what it's supposed to. No such luck.

Now the girls have fleas and apparently have a severe allergy to them. They are scratching like little demons and their fur is falling out in patches. The darker one has scratched her tummy raw and has huge welts from the bites.

While we were at the adoption event yesterday I bought them Frontline flea spray and an all natural itch relief spray. I had them bathed in an aloe bath hoping to soothe the skin some. I think it helped a tiny bit but the poor babies are still going crazy.

As soon as I hit them with Frontline spray the fleas started dropping, so I know that works. I also bought them Eukanuba Sensitive Skin dog food hoping that may help with the allergies. Had someone there recommend it. $20 for a small bag and I bought a couple, but if it helps ease their suffering it's well worth it.

Can you recommend anything? Does PC have allergies like this? I know it's really common in the breed to have crazy allergies. Anything else anyone can think of that may help them?

I also had a guy call me this morning that wants to foster them. Says he loves them but knows he could never afford to buy one or keep one vetted so he figured this would be a good way to get his 'fix' without the massive financial impact. Smart guy! Figured since he doesn't have any other dogs his chances of having as many fleas around as we do is better for them too. He can treat his yard without having to worry about poisoning the tortoises and goats. I'm sure that'll help keep things under control for them too.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Phelan
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Hello mrs1885
My dog Peter has issues with food allergies. Besides feeding raw (which Peter loves) - I have experimented with several brands and found Natural Balance Limited Ingredients works really well for Peter. No more welts or hives that he gets when eating other kibble.

I know they just had a voluntary recall of one type of food. I spoke with the manager at Petco in my town and they've had no problems with any Natural Balance food, even the one they were told to pull off the floor.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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We were told from day one from a Bulldog breeder to only use Revolution (never Frontline, Advantix, etc.) and have never had an issue. We have fleas year-round here, because of the mild weather, and I don't even give him the recommended dosage because I don't want all that in him. He gets a small dosage only 4 times a year, not monthly. Works great for us.

Most Bulldogs (and many other breeds) are very allergic to flea bites, from what I hear. If that's causing these issues, it's an easy fix, as you're finding with the spray. Food issues are not so easy to fix. Eukanuba will cause more harm than good. Bullies really need food that's grain-free and Eukanuba products are filled with grains. Don't let the sensitive skin on the label fool you, the ingredients are terrible. You can try raw with them, or if you prefer kibble, stick to a grainless one. TOTW, the new Costco (Nature's Domain) or Orijen will be your best bet. Ingredients most likely to cause a reaction in dogs are beef, soy, chicken, milk, corn, wheat, and eggs, so I would avoid these at all costs. If you look at the Eukanuba Sensitive Skin review, it contains eggs, tons of grains and fillers.

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As far as other allergies go, I don't believe Bulldogs are any more prone than any other breed. PC is almost two and hasn't had a single allergy since we got him. We have another Bulldog that we got 3 months ago as well. He is 13 months old now and not one single allergy or health issue as well. Can't be lucky twice, it's just how the majority of the breed is, though people only see sick ones in rescue settings. Unfortunately, the sickest get sent to the shelter/rescue, which is why those people only see sick ones.

PC has never in his life had any kind of "Bulldog" ailment. No allergies, no skin issues, nothing, but that's because we took care of him from day one by not feeding him bad food and only using natural products on his body. Many people don't take care of their dogs, and they end up like this.

I never understood when people say they can't afford the vet care. Our vet bills are non-existent. I'll bet anything that most people spend a lot more than we do on vet care. We spend under $150/year for PC, and that's mainly office visits when he catches some bacterial infection at the beach or something. He has zero health issues, as do many of the other Bulldogs we know. It's now June, almost July, and we saw the vet once so far this year for a bacterial infection that he caught from another dog. That's the extent of our vet visits. He's really inexpensive on the medical front.

For now, try giving them Benadryl to relieve some of the itching. You may have to try out different foods to see which works best. If it's simply flea bite allergies, you can fix that easily. But anything more than that, and you'll probably need a vet's help to determine the cause. If you have a Bulldog rescue in your area, I'd contact them. Though the one here is over-filled with some of the most horrific cases of abuse I have ever seen so they are not taking new dogs in right now. Not sure how it is by you. Good luck with them!
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Old 06-27-2010, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Mountains of middle TN
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We were told from day one from a Bulldog breeder to only use Revolution (never Frontline, Advantix, etc.) and have never had an issue. We have fleas year-round here, because of the mild weather, and I don't even give him the recommended dosage because I don't want all that in him. He gets a small dosage only 4 times a year, not monthly. Works great for us.

Most Bulldogs (and many other breeds) are very allergic to flea bites, from what I hear. If that's causing these issues, it's an easy fix, as you're finding with the spray. Food issues are not so easy to fix. Eukanuba will cause more harm than good. Bullies really need food that's grain-free and Eukanuba products are filled with grains. Don't let the sensitive skin on the label fool you, the ingredients are terrible. You can try raw with them, or if you prefer kibble, stick to a grainless one. TOTW, the new Costco (Nature's Domain) or Orijen will be your best bet. Ingredients most likely to cause a reaction in dogs are beef, soy, chicken, milk, corn, wheat, and eggs, so I would avoid these at all costs. If you look at the Eukanuba Sensitive Skin review, it contains eggs, tons of grains and fillers.

Dog Food Reviews - Eukanuba Sensitive Skin - Powered by ReviewPost

As far as other allergies go, I don't believe Bulldogs are any more prone than any other breed. PC is almost two and hasn't had a single allergy since we got him. We have another Bulldog that we got 3 months ago as well. He is 13 months old now and not one single allergy or health issue as well. Can't be lucky twice, it's just how the majority of the breed is, though people only see sick ones in rescue settings. Unfortunately, the sickest get sent to the shelter/rescue, which is why those people only see sick ones.

PC has never in his life had any kind of "Bulldog" ailment. No allergies, no skin issues, nothing, but that's because we took care of him from day one by not feeding him bad food and only using natural products on his body. Many people don't take care of their dogs, and they end up like this.

I never understood when people say they can't afford the vet care. Our vet bills are non-existent. I'll bet anything that most people spend a lot more than we do on vet care. We spend under $150/year for PC, and that's mainly office visits when he catches some bacterial infection at the beach or something. He has zero health issues, as do many of the other Bulldogs we know. It's now June, almost July, and we saw the vet once so far this year for a bacterial infection that he caught from another dog. That's the extent of our vet visits. He's really inexpensive on the medical front.

For now, try giving them Benadryl to relieve some of the itching. You may have to try out different foods to see which works best. If it's simply flea bite allergies, you can fix that easily. But anything more than that, and you'll probably need a vet's help to determine the cause. If you have a Bulldog rescue in your area, I'd contact them. Though the one here is over-filled with some of the most horrific cases of abuse I have ever seen so they are not taking new dogs in right now. Not sure how it is by you. Good luck with them!
I think they've got TOTW there. I'll look into that this week. I'd love to feed them raw, but that's not going to happen with 30 other dogs in the house. They are going to a foster home this week though. I'll have to talk to them about feeding raw and see what they say. If they will though, I need help!!!

I think you got really lucky. But then again, you found a phenomenal breeder too. I've talked to sooooo many people that have bought their EBD and have had nightmare problems. A lady doing a home visit for me in NC said she spent over $4k on hers for surgery. Should have 'only' been about $1k but the dog crashed on the operating table from a reaction to the anesthesia. Spent a week in the vet and was on close watch at home when she came home.

When the two girls go for their spay, I'm going through my vet not the clinic. My vet is hiring two extra staff members to be present to monitor more closely than they do other breeds. Spay only - not even including the cherry eye fix for Thelma - is going to be about $300 each. I usually pay $90 through him for everything - spay / neuter, vaccinations, etc.

He's had similar situations with them like the lady doing the HV for me. One of his clients is a 'breeder', though I use that term loosely, and said she lives in that office. Woman is paying to put his kids through college with the bills she racks up.

All that said, I don't think there's a serious, ethical, responsible breeder of any breed in my area. We're so packed full of crappy BYBs it's crazy. People seem them as a way to make money, so it's no wonder they're turning out dogs with tons of medical problems.

Hadn't thought of the Benadryl - duh!! Thank you! I'm calling hubby and telling him to give them each a pill.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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We paid around $260 for PC's neuter, but that's much easier than a spay. There is a particular kind of anesthesia that you should use with bullies, since they don't handle some well. If you want specific info on that, I can get it to you. I researched a ton before taking him in, even though our vet is a Bulldog specialist and probably though I was crazy to be so worried. Can they do the cherry eye at the same time? She'll already be under and from what I know, it's a fairly simple procedure. She'll probably need drops for the rest of her life after that, since the 3rd eyelid's job is to bring moisture to the eye.
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Old 06-27-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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mrs 1885 ..... therapeutic dose of benedryl is 1 mg per lb of dog ...... i would start with maybe half of that and see if it does the trick.... if not, you've got room to give them some more.......
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Old 06-27-2010, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Mountains of middle TN
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We paid around $260 for PC's neuter, but that's much easier than a spay. There is a particular kind of anesthesia that you should use with bullies, since they don't handle some well. If you want specific info on that, I can get it to you. I researched a ton before taking him in, even though our vet is a Bulldog specialist and probably though I was crazy to be so worried. Can they do the cherry eye at the same time? She'll already be under and from what I know, it's a fairly simple procedure. She'll probably need drops for the rest of her life after that, since the 3rd eyelid's job is to bring moisture to the eye.
Please, anything you have let me know. The horror stories I've heard from others that have them are terrifying me. Even my adoptions coordinator is a bit panicky and over protective of them.

Yep, we'll have Thelma's cherry eye done at the same time. I don't want her to have to go under twice.

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mrs 1885 ..... therapeutic dose of benedryl is 1 mg per lb of dog ...... i would start with maybe half of that and see if it does the trick.... if not, you've got room to give them some more.......
Under normal circumstances I'd not worry so much about giving the usual dose for a dog this size, but you're right, I guess I should be a bit more conservative to make sure she doesn't have any reaction to that!
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Old 06-27-2010, 01:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Here's a link to a thread I started when PC was about to get neutered. Pay attention to ViralMD's posts, she gave the best information. That's what we followed and he was totally fine. The only complication he had was a urinary infection after the neuter which had him peeing pure blood, but that cleared up with a dose of antibiotics.

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Old 06-27-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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Neither of my bulldogs have had skin issues. My male ate Purina One for 12 years. He never had any bulldog ailments at all.

Rita, who is 6, has only recently been put on grain free food in the last year due to someone suggesting it for her on going UTI's. She has never had any allergy/skin issues.

My male GSD had allergy/skin issues when he was young as well as ear problems and was put on Purina Pro Plan for Sensitive Skin and Stomach and it cleared everything up. But if they are allergic to flea bites then changing food won't solve the problem. Unless it's a combination of both.

I've also used Frontline on all my dogs, including the bulldogs without any problems. I've never seen a flea on any of them. Benadryl also makes a spray that works very well.

Hope you can get this all resolved soon. Poor dogs.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Santa Barbara CA
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My brother uses Frontline on his two Bullies too and has not had any problems or any skin issues. I know he was told By Bruce's breeder to avoid giving bulldogs any thing with soy and soy is in an awful lot of dog foods and treats so when buying a treat for the bulldogs I always make sure it has no soy.

While not a bulldog by any means Dazzle seemed to have grass allergies last year and got very itchy so I really upped his fish oil and flax ( both are anti-inflammatory) and so far he has been Ok this year.. and the added benefit is his super glossey coat!
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