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Old 12-22-2010, 05:17 PM
 
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Forget the facelift but if the eyelashes are growing into his eyes, it's extremely painful every time he blinks and can lead to blindness, have you taken him to an opthamologist yet - ? Why not get a 2nd opinion - ? How about posting a photo - ? Would find a vet who deals w/ a lot of brachycephalic breeds, ie pugs, bulldogs, frenchies, pekes, shih-tzu's etc, contacting the Eng. Bulldog Club of America for their recommendations should help too.
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Old 12-24-2010, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Mountains of middle TN
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I was thinking entropion too, Mak, but if they're talking about removing eyelashes I'm wondering if it's different. Unless they've changed the surgery since I had my chow 20 years ago. I know when he had the surgery they removed a part of the eyelid itself to 'unroll' the eyelid and pull the lashes off the eyeball itself. Don't know if maybe removing the eyelashes is the new way they do it??

I second the second opinion and finding an EBD specializing vet.
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Old 12-24-2010, 01:35 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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My shih tzu has this same eyelash issue, and the treatment the vet described is inserting a cauterizing wire (smaller than the lash) into the cuticle & zapping the cuticle which kills it. He's gone in for this twice now, and I've been told I may have to take him to the specialty center 2hrs away if this keeps recurring. I know prices vary, but about what does this other eyelid surgery cost, in case it comes to that?
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Old 12-24-2010, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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These are two seperate conditions. If your vet is treating your dog for distichia, your dog has irregular lashes growing in the wrong spot on the eyelid and is quite common in some breeds. One huge concern for bulldogs as they mature, as yours is doing, is they can DEVELOP entropion (where due to excess skin the FUR from the skin is rubbing on the cornea), and as ineloquently as your vet described it, he is saying that your dog is now needing entropion repair, too. BUT, BUT, BUT.... you don't repair entropion unless they already have it, because ectropion isn't good to have either and there is no guarantee that a bulldog is going to develop entropion....you just don't recommend an entropion repair unless they have the condition. I would recommend a second opinion with a board certified opthalmologist ESPECIALLY if you have a bulldog.
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Old 01-06-2011, 07:39 AM
 
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Have you seen pictures of bulldogs? Most of them look as tho they could use a facelift, mine included. Doesn't mean it should be done. As for the eyelids growing into the eye, then yes that is something that needs to be addressed. The lashes need to be removed. I'm curious as to why you waited a year and 1/2 to take care of the eye?

I think I would find a new Vet.
Hi Dogpaw!

Thanks for replying =)
No i haven't waited a year and a 1/2, we've been dealing with it for a year and a 1/2. He had a major surgery a year and 1/2 ago because the eye lashes caused an ulser in his eye. So he had a skin graph to repair the eyeball, they removed the hairs, and the pinched the corner of one eye. $3,000 surgery later, we spend about $250 every month or so, going to the eye specialist to get the new hairs removed and eye medications. We give him optimmune, tobrex, and collyrium. =S

This new "face lift" thing is a new surgery my doctor is suggesting. He wants to "nip and tuck" some skin just above his eyes and a little bit on the fold of his nose... gosh it sounds more ridiculous the more i explain it!
but again.. i don't want to just disregard his suggestion incase this is something really needed
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Old 01-06-2011, 07:44 AM
 
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My shih tzu has this same eyelash issue, and the treatment the vet described is inserting a cauterizing wire (smaller than the lash) into the cuticle & zapping the cuticle which kills it. He's gone in for this twice now, and I've been told I may have to take him to the specialty center 2hrs away if this keeps recurring. I know prices vary, but about what does this other eyelid surgery cost, in case it comes to that?
Hi Pixietob!

Thank you for replying! I heard this issue is common in Shih Tzus as well! We caught it too late which is why he had his first major surgery. Eyelashes left untreated causes Ulsers which damage the eyeball.

this cauterized wire, does he mean laser hair removal? Because that's what my dog goes for to zap the new hairs away. As for my suggestion, i'm not sure if your dog needs surgery because my dog had the surgery, and new hairs always grow... the laser hair removal doesn't kill off all the hair follicles so new ones will always grow. you're lucky you caught it early before it did damage to the eye. just keep your dogs eye mositurized with lubrithal in between hair zapping!

This new "facelift" surgery was quoted another $3,000!!
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Old 01-06-2011, 07:46 AM
 
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Our Chow mix had I believe the same thing but they called it entropian. The wrinkliness around her eyes made her lashes turn the wrong way and scrape on her eyeballs. This was about 1995 so there was no laser option. They said the constant scraping would cause infections that could eventually cause her to lose her sight. So yes, she had an eye tuck. She did fine with it. She passed away last year, never having had more trouble with her eyes.
Hi Subject2change,

Thank you for your reply!
I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your Chow mix.
I will look into Entropian and see if it's the same thing!

Thanks for the info!
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Old 01-06-2011, 07:49 AM
 
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If my vet suggested a surgery like that I would get a second opinion to be sure. How much do you trust the vet?
Hi Dogmomof2,

Well this isn't a regular vet, it's my dog's eye specialist. and everytime we go see him, there are always bulldogs in and out of the clinic... I trust them a lot, as they have been seeing my bulldog for the past year and 1/2 adn we visit them at least once a month or so.. so we kind of build a relationship with them...

it's just i've never heard of such a surgery!
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Old 01-06-2011, 07:51 AM
 
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a face lift, absoltuly not.

there is a procedure called an eye tuck specifically for dogs with this problem, they simply adjust the eye lid with a slice and a couple of stitches tso that as it heals the eye lid doesnt have the inturn.

the weight of the wrinkles/skin has NOTHING to do with it, its a birth defect common in wrinkled dogs, but its due to the way the excess skin osits on the eyelid.

a simple eye tuck is a few minutes under the knife, nay vet describing this as a "face lift" or trying to talk you into giving your dog a "afce lift"...well id personally run from.
Hi Foxywench!

Thank you for your reply!

i will look into the eye tuck procedure and talk to the specialist about it!
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Old 01-06-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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One of my brothers bulldogs also had that problem and had several procedures to remove the lashes and he would be fine for awhile but soon would have issues again so they had surgery done not sure if it was an eye tuck or not but the dog has had no problems for months so it was well worth it for him. My brother does use a vet that specialized in Bulldogs and is well known in the OC area of So. Cal and the dog did fine during the surgery.

In these cases you are not doing it for cosmetic reasons but for the comfort/health of the dog.
Hi Dashdog!

Thank you for your reply!
I totally agree. I would do anything to maintain the health of my dog. And totally would not do it for cosmetic reasons because i think my dog is prefect looking =P

Too bad i live in Canada =( or i would totaly ask for a referral!
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