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Old 05-25-2011, 10:10 PM
 
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My dogs have their fenced-in backyard in which to roam. Out on the street, they're in harnesses & leashes. Isn't that the safest way for everybody?
Not all things are equal....

Our two labs are only leashed in the vet's office.

They have a yard around the house and know their boundaries.

We have 100 acres and live back off of a country road.

 
Old 05-26-2011, 07:04 AM
 
Location: North Western NJ
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my only proble with offleash country dogs is the owners who dont pay due dilligence.

while on my househunting trip in tn i cannot tell you how many dogs would stand in the path of an oncomming car, chase the car and even get under the car, our realtor did some of the driving and almost hit 5 dogs in the space of 10 mins because the dogs would run out of the yard and at the car, which while not going fast was a large suv that could do serious damage even at low speeds.
and worse for some of those cases the owners were sat on their porches and didnt even try to call thier dogs back...

i get it your rural, not many people drive through, but what if it was a kid on a bike your dogs were chasing, or someone on horseback?!
what if your dogs are harrassing your neighbors livestock? you wouldnt know if your not out there with them 24/7 that they take a wnder over to your neighbors farm to chase their chickens or sheep untill one day you hear a gun shot and your dog necer comes home...

if you have 100% verbal control of your dog, and can properly supervise your dog, fine, but you accept the risks no matter where you live...
cant sue someone that hits your dog if your dogs chasing cars
cant sue someone that shoots your dog, if your dogs on their property...

i hope noone here allows this kind of behaviour.

and like i said, dogs arnt robots, even the best trained dog will sometimes get a thought of its own.
 
Old 05-26-2011, 07:12 AM
 
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The #1 rule of owning a Siberian Husky is "Never, never, never let them off leash," and my impulse is to say no, I don't let my dog off-leash. But honesty compels me to admit that I do drop the leash sometimes as we go the 20 feet to and from the car. Also a few years ago I was visiting my parents when they had about a foot of snow on the ground. I put a jingle-bell collar on Bandit and let him off leash, and we went tromping through the woods. I could follow his tracks, and because the snow was so deep, he couldn't move very quickly. But the whole time, I was anxious as heck.

Ninety-nine percent of the time, no, I don't don't let him off leash unless he's in a fenced-in area.
 
Old 05-26-2011, 07:31 AM
 
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my only proble with offleash country dogs is the owners who dont pay due dilligence.

while on my househunting trip in tn i cannot tell you how many dogs would stand in the path of an oncomming car, chase the car and even get under the car, our realtor did some of the driving and almost hit 5 dogs in the space of 10 mins because the dogs would run out of the yard and at the car, which while not going fast was a large suv that could do serious damage even at low speeds.
and worse for some of those cases the owners were sat on their porches and didnt even try to call thier dogs back...

i get it your rural, not many people drive through, but what if it was a kid on a bike your dogs were chasing, or someone on horseback?!
what if your dogs are harrassing your neighbors livestock? you wouldnt know if your not out there with them 24/7 that they take a wnder over to your neighbors farm to chase their chickens or sheep untill one day you hear a gun shot and your dog necer comes home...

if you have 100% verbal control of your dog, and can properly supervise your dog, fine, but you accept the risks no matter where you live...
cant sue someone that hits your dog if your dogs chasing cars
cant sue someone that shoots your dog, if your dogs on their property...

i hope noone here allows this kind of behaviour.

and like i said, dogs arnt robots, even the best trained dog will sometimes get a thought of its own.
When our labs were younger we watched them outside all the time.

They know if deer is in the yard to wait for us to shoooe the deer away.

They are 10 years old.

Still if they would make a mistake there is 1/16th of a mile to the nearest road.
 
Old 05-26-2011, 07:43 AM
 
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The bottom line here is you have to know your dog and your area.

Away be a responsible dog owner.
 
Old 05-26-2011, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Northern MN
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Theory,
Abstract thought, speculation
A belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action.
A plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.
an unproved assumption, conjecturea hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation

The thing about a theory is it is not a fact and it can easily be changed to fit any new info.

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Yes - quite - I'd also like to review the documentation to support these "facts".

One persons belief is an opinion, a number of peoples beliefs brought together is a theory. Theories that are substanciated and supported with studies that have been performed by well respected professionals are then considered factual. I look forward to seeing what you will provide to support your opinion.

Train your dog, let your dog be a dog,
There animals first how would you like never being allowed to be your self?
 
Old 05-26-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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Theory,
Abstract thought, speculation
A belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action.
A plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.
an unproved assumption, conjecturea hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation

The thing about a theory is it is not a fact and it can easily be changed to fit any new info.




Train your dog, let your dog be a dog,
There animals first how would you like never being allowed to be your self?
Then you can not give links to your "facts"???
 
Old 05-26-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Northern MN
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To funny I should go get a site and load it with facts gathered from a lifetime of training dogs and experienced trainers and handlers.
if I don't pull a link out of my but it can't possibly be a fact.
but seeing as you are to lazy(now I know why your dog can not be off lead) to find a site or do a search a quick search and.

Training a puppy the right way is much easier than retraining a dog that has learned a bad habit. If you have to retrain your dog it is important to be consistent and patient, they are having to both unlearn and learn at the same time. http://http://www.petcarechannel.localwin.com/Dog-training/Syracuse.html (http://http//www.petcarechannel.localwin.com/Dog-training/Syracuse.html - broken link)


Retrain your dog while he is young. The younger the dog is, the easier it is for you to retrain him and prevent the further occurrence of dog aggression. Begin by handling your dog as often as possible. Old dogs who were not accustomed to physical affection from people are very likely to have difficulty on dealing with people. While the dog is young, handle him and make him feel that it is alright to be touched. As you do this frequently, the dog will get used to being around people. Do not forget about treating him whenever he shows comfort and acceptance of your presence.http://http://www.petnopolis.com/pet-articles/75/-retrain-an-aggressive-dog.html (http://http//www.petnopolis.com/pet-articles/75/-retrain-an-aggressive-dog.html - broken link)

The best time to train your dog is during the formative years. However, with consistency, you can teach an old dog a few new tricks. True, an old dog would be a little harder to teach.
I recently adopted an adult dog who was trained to go on wee-wee pads, but I want him to go outside only. Is that possible?
The good news is "Yes!" You can re-train a dog to go outside, even if the dog was originally trained to go only on paper. The bad news is that it can be a long process. With regards to housetraining and re-training your dog, you have to think of the dog as a puppy. You are essentially starting over!
http://http://www.animalalliancenyc.org/newsletter/05-05/behavior.htm (http://http//www.animalalliancenyc.org/newsletter/05-05/behavior.htm - broken link)
 
Old 05-26-2011, 08:57 AM
 
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To funny I should go get a site and load it with facts gathered from a lifetime of training dogs and experienced trainers and handlers.
if I don't pull a link out of my but it can't possibly be a fact.
but seeing as you are to lazy(now I know why your dog can not be off lead) to find a site or do a search a quick search and.

Training a puppy the right way is much easier than retraining a dog that has learned a bad habit. If you have to retrain your dog it is important to be consistent and patient, they are having to both unlearn and learn at the same time. http://http://www.petcarechannel.localwin.com/Dog-training/Syracuse.html (http://http//www.petcarechannel.localwin.com/Dog-training/Syracuse.html - broken link)


Retrain your dog while he is young. The younger the dog is, the easier it is for you to retrain him and prevent the further occurrence of dog aggression. Begin by handling your dog as often as possible. Old dogs who were not accustomed to physical affection from people are very likely to have difficulty on dealing with people. While the dog is young, handle him and make him feel that it is alright to be touched. As you do this frequently, the dog will get used to being around people. Do not forget about treating him whenever he shows comfort and acceptance of your presence.http://http://www.petnopolis.com/pet-articles/75/-retrain-an-aggressive-dog.html (http://http//www.petnopolis.com/pet-articles/75/-retrain-an-aggressive-dog.html - broken link)

The best time to train your dog is during the formative years. However, with consistency, you can teach an old dog a few new tricks. True, an old dog would be a little harder to teach.
I recently adopted an adult dog who was trained to go on wee-wee pads, but I want him to go outside only. Is that possible?
The good news is "Yes!" You can re-train a dog to go outside, even if the dog was originally trained to go only on paper. The bad news is that it can be a long process. With regards to housetraining and re-training your dog, you have to think of the dog as a puppy. You are essentially starting over!
http://http://www.animalalliancenyc.org/newsletter/05-05/behavior.htm (http://http//www.animalalliancenyc.org/newsletter/05-05/behavior.htm - broken link)
Why the personal attack???
 
Old 05-26-2011, 09:20 AM
 
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i had an irish setter mix about 10 years ago. Never leashed it and had no problems with it. Then one day the kids walking home from school decided to start teasing her and throwing rocks at her so she nipped at one. Next thing i know ive got police at my door telling me i have a vicious animal and it running around biting children. I told the police what the kids did and they didnt care. I was told in no uncertain terms "Put the animal to sleep or we will". So i had to go and put my dog to sleep because of some stupid %$#@! kids teasing her. Since then i will NOT let my dogs out without a leash.

Idk if this is a forum for rich people but i dont know a lot of people with 10+ acres of fenced land. Yeah im sure ppl like that do let their dogs run loose. Why not? I would too, unless it was right next to an interstate or some other high risk area. If i lived in the heart of the city in an apartment complex would i let my dog run around loose? HECK NO! I live out in the country but theres a road right out front that has cars driving pretty fast.

City im in adopted a new law last year. Dogs cannot be leashed for more than 30 minutes. They have to be either in a fenced in yard or on a tether with 360 degrees of movement and no entanglements. So what did ppl do? They started letting their dogs run loose all over town. What happened after? Yep, dog bites galore.
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