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Old 01-27-2012, 12:39 AM
 
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Something my dogs (and the cat, too) adore is white rice or barley cooked in regular broth on fat pork and lots of vegetables. I don't think it's very original but when I saw my cat along with the dogs virtually gobbling down the carrots, I was in shock!

As to the portions, I guess it depends on the dog. I didn't have this problem, because I just gave them the whole pot and they only ate as much as they could so next time I knew. Some dogs aren't like that, though. They would eat until they drop so it may be dangerous.

Besides, you will never be sure to provide them with all the necessary nutrients and vitamins on homemade food. My vet told me I'd need to have them monitored carefully and enrich their diet with vitamin supplements. This is the reason I decided to stick to dry food, eventually. I use Pro-Formance. I'm not sure if it's available where you live but a good equivalent would be Royal Canin. I don't think it will be recalled?

Anyway, whatever you decide, I think the most important thing would be to consult a good vet, first. They could provide you with some recipes, advise on the portions and vitamins. Especially if you suspect your dog may be allergic.

Good luck

I wouldn't consult a vet because so many vet's sell Hill's Science Diet and say it is a good dog food when it is not. It is profitable for them to sell because of 'kickback's' from the maker. You can go online and find out about how to grade dog food and choose the best based on what the food contains. I will post the info I read if it helps. I would get recipes from a dog kennel if you are bound and determined to make your own, but buying it is probably cheaper in the long run and a lot less trouble. Good dog food is not cheap. Sorry for the long post, hope this helps...


Dog Food Analysis and Grading
To grade any dog food using Sarahs' dog food comparisons technique, you need to start with
the list of ingredients (it's fairly easy to find an ingredient list for any particular food on the
manufacturers website, or use the one on your dog food bag etc.)
You can try this grading system with your own dog food if not listed here.
Start with a grade of 100 points, then . . .:
1. For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points
2. For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal
or fat) reference, subtract 10 points
3. If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points
4. For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source subtract 5 points. If the same grain
ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (i.e. "ground brown rice",
"brewer's rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points
5. If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3
ingredients, subtract 3 points
6. If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points
7. If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3 points
8. If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points
9. If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2 points
10. If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources),
subtract 2 points
11. If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points
12. If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points
13. If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to beef), subtract 1 point
14. If it contains salt, subtract 1 point
Extra Credit:
• If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points
• If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points
• If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points
• If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points
• If the food contains fruit, add 3 points
• If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points
• If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points
• If the food contains barley, add 2 points
• If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points
• If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point
• If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point
• For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken"
and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "fish" as 2 different sources),
add 1 point
• If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point
• If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point SCORING
94-100+ = A
86-93 = B
78-85 = C
70-77 = D
<70 = F
Here are dog food ratings for many of the most popular dog foods on the market today.
Alpo Prime Cuts / Score 81 C
Artemis Large/Medium Breed Puppy / Score 114 A+
Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+
Authority Harvest Baked Less Active / Score 93 B
Beowulf Back to Basics / Score 101 A+
Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F
Blackwood 3000 Lamb and Rice / Score 83 C
Blue Buffalo Chicken and Rice / Score 106 A+
Burns Chicken and Brown Rice / Score 107 A+
Canidae / Score 112 A+
Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+
Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F
Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B
Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A
Diamond Performance / Score 85 C
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+
Dick Van Patten’s Natural Balance Venison and Brown Rice / Score 106 A+
Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+
EaglePack Holistic / Score 102 A+
Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken / Score 114 A+ Eagle Pack Natural / Score 94 A
Eagle Pack Large and Giant Breed Puppy Food/ Score 94 A
Eukanuba Adult / Score 81 C
Eukanuba Puppy / Score 79 C
Flint River Senior / Score 101 A+
Foundations / Score 106 A+
Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 B
Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D
Innova Dog / Score 114 A+
Innova Evo / Score 114 A+
Innova Large Breed Puppy / Score 122 A+
Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
Member’s Mark Chicken and Rice / Score 84 C
Merrick Wilderness Blend / Score 127 A+
Nature’s Recipe / Score 100 A
Nature’s Recipe Healthy Skin Venison and Rice / Score 116 A+
Nature’s Variety Raw Instinct / Score 122 A+
Nutra Nuggets Super Premium Lamb Meal and Rice / Score 81 C
Nutrience Junior Medium Breed Puppy / Score 101 A+
Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
Nutro Max Adult / Score 93 B
Nutro Natural Choice Lamb and Rice / Score 98 A
Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B
Nutro Natural Choice Puppy Wheat Free / Score 86 B Nutro Natural Choice Senior / Score 95 A
Nutro Ultra Adult / Score 104 A+
Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F
Premium Edge Chicken, Rice and Vegetables Adult Dry / Score 109 A+
Pro Nature Puppy / Score 80 C
ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+
Pro Plan Sensitive Stomach / Score 94 A
Purina Beneful / Score 17 F
Purina Dog / Score 62 F
Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F
Purina One Large Breed Puppy / Score 62 F
Royal Canin Boxer / Score 103 A+
Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+
Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+
Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F
Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F
Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A
Solid Gold / Score 99 A
Summit / Score 99 A
Timberwolf Organics Wild & Natural Dry / Score 120 A+
Timberwolf Organic Lamb and Vegetable / Score 136 A+
Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+
Wellness Super5Mix Senior Dry Dog 15 lb. Bag / Score 110 A+
Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97

AGlossary of terms used in dog food
Animal Digest: This is the dry by-product of rendered meat. During rendering, all usable
animal parts (including fetal tissues and glandular wastes) are heated in vats and the liquid is
separated from the dry meal. This meal is covered with charcoal and labeled "unfit for human
consumption" before processing it into pet food. Digest can also include intestines, as well as
the contents of those intestines, such as stool, bile, parasites and chemicals.
Animal Fat and Tallow: Animal fat is a "generic" fat source that is most often made up of
rendered animal fat, rancid restaurant grease or other oils that are deemed inedible for
humans. Tallow is low quality hard white fat that most animals find hard to digest, not to
mention the cardiac risks resulting.
Chemical Preservatives: Chemical preservatives include BHA (butylated hydroxyanisole), BHT
(butylated hydroxytolulene), propyl gallate, propylene glycol (also used in automotive
antifreeze and is suspected of causing red blood cell damage) and ethoxquin , are all
potentially cancer causing agents that your pets are eating every day.
Chicken By-products: These are ground parts from poultry carcasses such as feet, heads,
feathers, intestines, necks and undeveloped eggs and can included any rendered material.
Corn Products: Corn products including corn meal, gluten and grits are cheap, allergy causing
fillers and are very difficult for animals to digest.
Food Fragments: Lower end by-products of the food manufacturing process, examples include
wheat bran and brewers rice which are a waste product of the alcohol industry.
Ground Whole Grain Sorghum: The feed value of grain sorghum is similar to corn and is grown
primarily as a feed grain for livestock.
Meat and Bone Meal: “Meat” and bone meal are inexpensive sources of animal protein. Note
that these companies do not clarify the source of “meat”, nor are they human-grade meat. The
protein in Meat meal containing a large amount of processed bone may not be digestible and
fail to provide adequate nutrition.
Meat Based: A label that say "meat based" may also include blood vessels, tendons, organs
and other parts of the rendered animal. Note again that these companies do not clarify the
source of “meat”, nor are they human-grade meat products.
Meat By-products: Pet grade meat by-products consist of organs and parts not desired or not
fit for human consumption. This can include organs, bones, blood and fatty tissue. It can also
include brains, feet, heads, intestines and any other internal parts. Unbelievably, by-products
can also contain cancerous or diseased tissue containing parasites, euthanized animals, .
Choosing dog food is a very personal decision, and no one formula is ideal for any breed. High
protein, meat-based diets are not simply for pets with kidney/urinary issues or high
metabolism pets, they are ideal for many because of the fact that dogs and cats are
carnivores, not meant to eat grains or fillers. Grains are fillers, and metabolize into sugar,
causing a gammit of problems including allergies, behavior issues and also poor muscle
building. Food companies add corn/wheat etc to keep the price down and an important factor
to keep in mind is that when you feed a higher quality food, you don't end up paying more in
the long run because your pet needs to eat less in order to receive optimal nutrition from the food, not to mention the money saved on vet bills resulting from problems caused by poor
quality nutrition. Foods full of fillers equal "garbage in/garbage out", meaning more food is
required in order to receive the necessary nutrition, more stool is output to rid the body of
grains and fillers that are unnecessary and undigestible (such as corn). We believe you should
spend your money on your pet, not your vet.
The most important thing for anyone considering a new food is to read read read the label.
First ingredient should be a human grade meat-meat meal is ideal because it means the water
has been removed prior to weighing. Corn, Wheat, Glutens, BHA, BHT, Ethoxyquin, Byproducts, Animal Digest and chemicals/preservatives are all ingredients you want to avoid! I
can't begin to tell you how many clients come in with the label of their current pet food and are
appalled to see what is actually in the food they are feeding, because they didn't read the
label, or most commonly, simply did not understand what the ingredients were.
Most independent pet stores offer frequent buyer benefits, and the smaller independent
retailers are more likely to be knowledgeable regarding nutrition. It is not as important where
you shop as it is to be informed about what your pet requires for ultimate health, and to be
informed about the toxic effects of many ingredients that are in grocery store/big box/mass
produced brands.
Be sure that whatever pet food you choose to feed your furry friend, you are informed about
your choices and feel that you have a good relationship with your pet store to feel comfortable
that they are knowledgeable about ingredients in each of the formulas available.
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Old 01-27-2012, 06:12 AM
 
Location: The Great State of Arkansas
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Satchmo's Mom:

If you will see my post #5 in this thread, you can get a basic idea. Your dog is much larger than any of mine other than the mastiff, and I don't know the activity level. My mastiff is about 140-145 lbs., though, so we'll go from there!

He gets 1 1/2 chicken backs twice a day and about 1 1/2 Cups of glop. Maybe 2. This time of year he isn't really active, so in the spring I have to kick it up a notch and then decrease it a little in the winter.

I know, it doesn't look like much! Everyone who sees me feed my dogs says "is that all the food you give them?" - Well, yeah - and look at them - they are a great size, you can see their waist, and they LOVE their food.

Some people feed way more protein than I do and cut back on the veggies. This is just the combo that has worked for us. He has maintained his current weight with only minor fluctuations for the past 2 years.

Good luck!
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:25 AM
 
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Thumbs up Thanks Sam!!!

Thanks! I did foget to tell you activity. Like your mastiff, not as active in the winter. Satchmo tends to be pretty active, running & "helping" with work in the yard the rest of the year.

I think we will try the feeding amounts close to your mastiff. Will adjust as needed. I know Stachmo LOVES the glop! He goes running for his feeding area when I pull it out! His coat is getting better/shinier, he moves better & some of his "superficial" problems (skin, eyes, ears) are clearing up. I won't feed the poor guy corn-based foods ever again.

I took him to the vet the other day (for something else) & she was happy with the way he looked. She also signed off on the glop & feeding....she said the way I was feeding him was very nutritionally balanced (I took the recipes I am using in, since I was going in anyway) and don't need much in the way of supplements.

Again, THANK YOU for your help. Both Satchmo and I appreciate it.
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Old 02-01-2012, 02:35 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Arkansas
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Stachmo's Mom -

HEY! Thank YOU! and Satch thanks you as well! My old vet was totally on board with the raw diet - the new one, meh....not so much (my old vet has passed away). Whatever on new guy, he may or may not come around. He ain't no dog food specialist (or he wouldn't be selling that nasty stuff in his office and calling it primo!). It has worked for us for a very long time - I'm so glad to hear he is enjoying his food and living well - enjoy!
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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I just now made my first "dog food" !!! I have a puggle and boy she is allergic to everything. I just cooked chicken, brown rice, (little worried about the rice but heard brown is bettr for them) carrots and sweet potatoes (she loves carrots and sweet potatoes). I gave her 1/2 cup and she loved it. Usually dog food I have to add someting to it anyways for her to eat it so why not make my own with what she loves. Now its a wait and see how she reacts to it. Hopefully no more rash on her belly. I say give it a try what do you have to lose. Got to be better then dog food!!! Just becareful how much you feed, can get fat easy if you give to much!!! good luck

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Old 11-05-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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I just now made my first "dog food" !!! I have a puggle and boy she is allergic to everything. I just cooked chicken, brown rice, (little worried about the rice but heard brown is bettr for them) carrots and sweet potatoes (she loves carrots and sweet potatoes). I gave her 1/2 cup and she loved it. Usually dog food I have to add someting to it anyways for her to eat it so why not make my own with what she loves. Now its a wait and see how she reacts to it. Hopefully no more rash on her belly. I say give it a try what do you have to lose. Got to be better then dog food!!! Just becareful how much you feed, can get fat easy if you give to much!!! good luck
Good for you! Be aware that homemade may be missing supplements, so you'll need to add them to the food or give it to her separately.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:40 PM
 
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Something my dogs (and the cat, too) adore is white rice or barley cooked in regular broth on fat pork and lots of vegetables. I don't think it's very original but when I saw my cat along with the dogs virtually gobbling down the carrots, I was in shock!

As to the portions, I guess it depends on the dog. I didn't have this problem, because I just gave them the whole pot and they only ate as much as they could so next time I knew. Some dogs aren't like that, though. They would eat until they drop so it may be dangerous.

Besides, you will never be sure to provide them with all the necessary nutrients and vitamins on homemade food. My vet told me I'd need to have them monitored carefully and enrich their diet with vitamin supplements. This is the reason I decided to stick to dry food, eventually. I use Pro-Formance. I'm not sure if it's available where you live but a good equivalent would be Royal Canin. I don't think it will be recalled?

Anyway, whatever you decide, I think the most important thing would be to consult a good vet, first. They could provide you with some recipes, advise on the portions and vitamins. Especially if you suspect your dog may be allergic.

Good luck
Marka, I understood that when cooking for our dogs, we should use brown rice. I am not really sure what the difference is, do you have any idea? Thanks.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Satchmo's Mom:

If you will see my post #5 in this thread, you can get a basic idea. Your dog is much larger than any of mine other than the mastiff, and I don't know the activity level. My mastiff is about 140-145 lbs., though, so we'll go from there!

He gets 1 1/2 chicken backs twice a day and about 1 1/2 Cups of glop. Maybe 2. This time of year he isn't really active, so in the spring I have to kick it up a notch and then decrease it a little in the winter.

I know, it doesn't look like much! Everyone who sees me feed my dogs says "is that all the food you give them?" - Well, yeah - and look at them - they are a great size, you can see their waist, and they LOVE their food.

Some people feed way more protein than I do and cut back on the veggies. This is just the combo that has worked for us. He has maintained his current weight with only minor fluctuations for the past 2 years.

Good luck!
I need to stop reading posts backwards. Going to post 5.
Hoping it will tell me what glob is.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:09 PM
 
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Just a thought. I've got 2 huge pumpkins that I bought on sale, cheap. They are currently in the oven being baked. Then I will divide them into packages and freeze them and they will go into the dog food all next year.

Yams will be on sale very soon, if they are not already. Those are great for home cooked dog food, too.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:21 PM
 
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I have a Maltese who keeps scratching and chewing her paws constantly. I have changed foods several times to try and alleviate possible foods she may be allergic to. The more I read, the more frustrated I get. I get reccommended a food like venison or lamb, or duck in order to eliminate chicken and beef, and when I read the labels they contain chicken fat or beef liver. My vets want to send her to a pet dermatologist for allergy testing almost 2 hours away. I have read multiple places that the testing isn't accurate for foods anyway so I want to try elimination diets myself first. I have finally decided to try a homemade food, consisting of lamb, sweet potato, green beans and brown rice. She is a 9 pound maltese and I am wondering how much is appropriate to feed her. Does anyone have any suggestions for how much, portion wise, to feed her. I want to be sure I am giving her a balanced diet. Thanks in advance! Alo, if anyone knows of a safe home remedy to help me get her paws healed from her chewing the pads, I would love the suggestions. I have tried almost everything and hate seeing her miserable.
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