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Old 10-08-2011, 12:06 AM
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hi Shelbys mom again, I wanted to ask the forum if anyone else had a dog with impacted anal glands and also anal fistulas?

I just had shelby to the vets today to have an infusion done on him to take care of the problem with the impacted anal glands, and when I went to pick him up at the vets the vet mentioned to me that shelby also has anal fistulas.... and that I would have to go see a specialist because he did not take care of fistulas in his office, and that I would have to have a specialist look at shelby... unfortunatly I am not able to afford a whole lot, and I am trying my best to help shelby with his problems, I was wondering if any other person on the forum has had simular problems with their dogs and could give me some advise... I was going to see about putting him on the zd diet again, he curently is on eukanuba germanshepard, which is the food that I had changed him to from first being on zd science diet, and before that pedigree( which is when I noticed the problems with shelby, due to a so called (change in pedigrees new and improved formula) as stated on the bag. also to see his first vet to get him back on metronidazole and prednizone, if there is anything else that works please let me know.... I love my dog alot, and have had him since birth...he is a big part of my family...

I feel that he has a double wammy with both having the anal impaction and the anal fistulas... are the fistulas caused by having an anal impaction? Shelby has been on predazone for a few months, and we are trying to get this under control, I am hoping that by getting the infusion today done, that it may help him is some way, hopefully at least to take care of one of the problems at least.

I did notice that when we changed him to the eukanuba germanshepard dog food that his stools were much more formed, but still little in diameter... but he is still able to have a bowel movement, still takes a while before he gets done, and straines a little, but nice formed stool, not any soft stools, or really loose stools either.

are anal fistulas caused by a allergy to something in a dog food? Or in shelbys situation could they be caused from having impacted anal glands?

hope to hear back from you all, really could use some good information on this subject if any of you out there have gone through this with your dogs.... thanks in advance....shelbys mom
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Old 10-08-2011, 08:19 AM
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My dog had the anal gland problem but not the fistulas (I ended up having her anal glands surgically removed - they were impacted every other week - she wasn't able to express them naturally).

I just did some searching and saw this - it looks like GSDs are often affected by the fistulas

In cases of financial hardship, prednisone has been used with some success. Ancillary use of antibiotics may also be of benefit, especially when faced with secondary bacterial infection.

To prevent reoccurrence, a novel protein diet (a diet whose protein source the pet has not been previously exposed to) is suggested, good anal hygiene should be implemented, and the anal area should be monitored for fistula recurrence.

Canine Perianal Fistula or Anal Furunculosis | Critterology.com

I feed my dog Taste of the Wild Prairie (Bison and Venison) - she has good poops! LOL. If your dog hasn't had those meats before, maybe that'll help?
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Old 10-08-2011, 02:27 PM
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I can't think you will solve his problem on an internet message board or without the help of a trusted Vet.

I do hope you can find the means to get him taken care of because it sounds painful.
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Old 10-08-2011, 09:42 PM
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Red face Dog anal info...

This site has some info that may be of some help.

I hope your pup gets well...


This might be a little long please stay with me on this...(this was from another thread where I posted on anal gland issues.)

Let's talk about trouble making a bowel movement (causes of constipation)...which can lead to impacted anal glands.

It happens with middle-aged and older dogs and it is usually because they do not drink enough water, so make sure you provide plenty of clean fresh water (which you probably do.) Even with mild dehydration, water is withdrawn from the colon and that dehydrates the feces and it makes it difficult to make a bowel movement.

Keep an eye on what your dog eats, ingesting foreign materials such as bone chips, hair, grass, cellulose, cloth, paper, raw hides, and other substances can be a cause of acute and chronic constipation. Indigestible materials mixes with feces mixed with mild dehydration can form rock-like masses (poo) in the colon making it very difficult to pass.

If the constipation of recent is due to the anal glands expression, and your dog has been eating, drinking and exercising (as normal) and not going poo, you need to discuss this with your vet immediately, because it is normal for a dog to poo once or twice a day.

Treating Constipation:
Eliminate or control predisposing causes. Again, make sure your dog has plenty of access to clean water. Plenty of regular exercise, walking, playing, etc. Older dogs with reduced bowel activity can be helped along by soaking their kibble (if feeding only dry) with equal parts of water and letting the mixture soak for 20 minutes.

Provide frequent opportunities for your dog to do it's business. If it's still not giving it up, talk with your vet about the possibility of a blockage and perhaps a mild laxative? There are over the counter drugs you can talk with your vet about using such as Metamucil, Milk of Magnesia, Mylanta, Maalox, or Mineral oil (I prefer Olive Oil - personally). They can tell you the dosage and frequency of administration. I would prefer you get the "where" and "why-fore" from your vet.

Anal Sac Disease
The anal sacs (as) are located at five and seven o'clock in reference to the circumference of the anus. They can be seen by drawing down on the skin of the lower part of the anus and looking in those locations.

The (as) are emptied by the pressure of stool passing through the anus. They can also be emptied by forcful contraction of the of the anal sphincter such as when the dog barks, running, is frightened or upset. Anal sac disease is a cycle that begins with impaction and progresses through infection to abscess and rupture. Dogs with anal problems may develop tonsillitis from licking at the rear area.

Anal Sac Impaction
Impaction is the accumulation of pasty secretions in the anal sacs. The sacs become distended and mildly tender. (Which is why your dog is still licking the area, or has become so use to licking it has OCD). The expressed secretions are thick and dark brown or grayish brown. They become impacted when they don't empty completely. They may be due to insufficient pressure on the sacs during defecation because of small, soft stools; inadequate sphincter pressure; or blockage of the opening by thick dry secretions. Impaction tend to occur most often in small-breed dogs and in overweight dogs.
Treatment: Impaction is treated by manually expressing the secretions. Dogs with recurrent (as) impaction should have their sacs emptied at regular intervals. (Discuss the intervals with your vet and if you need a second opinion, get one!) Place the dog on a high-fiber diet or a bulk laxative to increase the size of the stools. Discuss these options with your vet, too!!!

How to Empty the Anal Sacs
Here are step by step instructions. You can also have your vet or groomer show you, if you feel more comfortable before you step in and do it yourself (unless you feel more comfortable having them do it and can afford to have them do it.)

Manually emptying the (as) is called expressing them, it is not necessary to express the (as) unless the dog has an anal sac disease, or when frequent malodor poses a problem. Begin by putting on a disposable latex or plastic surgical glove. Raise the dog's tail and locate the openings (again, the sac are located at five and seven o'clock.) Raise the dogs tail and if they are full, the anal sacs can be felt as small, firm lumps in the perianal area.

Grasp the skin surrounding the sacs between your thumb and forefinger and squeeze. When an anal sac is impacted (blocked), it usually is best to empty the sacs with a finger in the anal canal and a thumb on the outside. (For the comfort of the dog, use a small amount of vaseline (or KY) on the finger before inserting in the anal canal.)

As the sac empties, you may smell a strong odor. (You can avoid this by using Vic's Vapor Rub on / slightly inside of each of your nostrils. Do this prior to putting on the plastic or latex gloves. Makes sure after putting the vapor rub on your nostrils, you wash your hands well. You do NOT want to touch the dogs anus with the vapor rub as it will burn! I cannot stress that sentence enough!!!) Wipe the secretions with a damp cloth or gently hose the dog's rectal area. Normal secretions are liquid and brown. If the discharge is yellow, bloody, or pus-like, the sac is infected and you should seek veterinary attention.

Please understand I am not a vet. I just want you to have additional information at your fingertips.

I hope this helps!

Reference: Dog Owner's Home Vet Handbook and personal experience

Last edited by LuvABull.Denver; 10-08-2011 at 10:12 PM.. Reason: Additional info...
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:43 AM
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Get on groups.yahoo.com and find the PF-L list. When I had a dog with fistulas that group was very helpful with the latest and greatest! They are great!
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:39 AM
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I have a GSD with perianal fistulas and it requires a lot of time and money to deal with it.

You are going to have to see a specialist, no way around it if you want to help the dog. Perianal fistulas will not go away on their own but if they are treated early, you can hope for a quick remission with no long term damage. If left too long without adequate treatment, they will cause massive and permanent tissue damage that can't even be corrected with surgery.

Prednisone and antibiotics are not going to do much.

You need cyclosporine - using ketoconazole as a booster can lower the dosage of cyclosporine, a very expensive drug.

Protopic ointment also helps my dog, you put it on the area once or twice daily.

Clean and dry the area a couple of times a day and try some zinc oxide diaper rash cream. It helps some dogs, is cheap and OTC.
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Old 10-23-2011, 04:18 PM
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Shelbys mom,
Thank you for the information... I just wanted to let you know that shelby has been seeing a vet, and has had a few different procedures done, he has had an infusion of the anal glands, and has been put on pred, plus, Ketaconizole, and Tecrolemus ointment for the fistulas,and I am waiting for the cyclosporine to come from the pharmacy yet. I am very thankful that my dog takes his meds really well, as he has so much to take... very expensive , but from what the vet has told me once he is in remission and everything is under control then it would only be around 80.00 per month... thank god.... thank you very much for the message and everything
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:15 PM
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Hi all,

My PB German Shepherd started with anal fistulas at the age of 5. I tried months of prednisolone and antibiotics with little change. His lesions were the size of my pinky finger. He was always licking and crying when he had to poop. Also changed to novel diet of salmon and sweet potato. After a year I finally tried topical Tacromilus .01% (Protopic) applied with gloves to his anal area once a day. I put the tube of ointment into a glass of warm water to soften. This made it much easier to apply a thin layer and less painful for my dog. Lesions are gone after 6 weeks and he no longer cries when pooping. He rarely licks. Try to occupy for at least 20 minutes after application so it is absorbed. I play ball, but a walk is a good distraction as well. Please give this a try! Read numerous articles and studies stating that Tacromilus is just as effective as Clyclosporine and way cheaper. One tube of ointment is $95 in Canada. I have used 1.5 tubes in 6 weeks applying once daily. All the research I have read says to apply for 14 weeks and then 1-2x weekly to maintain afterwards. Good luck!
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