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Old 12-18-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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We live in the bush and have a large (130 lb) Akita-Malamute mix that we occasionally need to tie-out. We've found a good cable that attaches to the house or the 4' of buried pipe so she can't pull or dig out the anchor and she can't chew through it. But she still slips her collar if given longer than a few minutes unattended. Since her ruff is so thick and her head is streamlined, regular flat collars that are loose enough not to choke her are also loose enough to slip with some effort and dedication (she has both!). We bought a harness thinking that would solve the slipping, she chewed through the shoulder/chest strap and freed herself (don't ask me how). She nearly dislocated her larynx and strangled herself the one time we tried a chain choke collar (for walkies, not tie-out).

We're at wits end. We need a safe way to secure her that also won't damage her, at least until we can get our acreage fully fenced (which is a whole other challenge for a dog her size).

Any suggestions?
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Old 12-18-2011, 12:17 PM
 
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We live in the bush and have a large (130 lb) Akita-Malamute mix that we occasionally need to tie-out. We've found a good cable that attaches to the house or the 4' of buried pipe so she can't pull or dig out the anchor and she can't chew through it. But she still slips her collar if given longer than a few minutes unattended. Since her ruff is so thick and her head is streamlined, regular flat collars that are loose enough not to choke her are also loose enough to slip with some effort and dedication (she has both!). We bought a harness thinking that would solve the slipping, she chewed through the shoulder/chest strap and freed herself (don't ask me how). She nearly dislocated her larynx and strangled herself the one time we tried a chain choke collar (for walkies, not tie-out).

We're at wits end. We need a safe way to secure her that also won't damage her, at least until we can get our acreage fully fenced (which is a whole other challenge for a dog her size).

Any suggestions?
Rip hits the end of his tie out hard and would love to slip his collar.

So his is a plastic that has a little give with a regular buckle.

And it is on tight....so it is checked often and the plastic gives just enough to help stop him from hurting himself.

You can find these at sporting good stores.

There is also two places to hook leads.

No slip tie-out collar?-pict0233.jpg
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Old 12-18-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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Ours gal is a "Rip" too Ripley, but Rip for short.

Anyway, we'll give the plastic a try, although with our ultra low temps it might crack (everything plastic cracks up here). The Ripster is perfectly fine outside at -40 since she's a sled dog breed, as long as she can get out of the wind. But those temps do put an additional strain on her equipment.

I've seen some combo style "no slip" collars, like Martingale's but meant for leash or tie-out, that are supposed to tighten up with tension... but I wonder if they would work with twisting not just pulling. Ripley HATES being left behind and she goes completely bug-nuts with all sorts of lunging and high-flying acrobatics. Lord knows what she'd figure out left to her own devices once she calmed down. After she figured out that she couldn't drag the house like the railroad tie (yes, she pulled a full-sized railroad tie a half-mile) or pull/dig out the buried pipe like the trees (yes, she's uprooted several) then the collar testing would begin in earnest.

Guess that's the Catch-22 with large working dogs... smart enough to work, but too smart for their own good at times!
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Old 12-18-2011, 12:39 PM
 
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Ours gal is a "Rip" too Ripley, but Rip for short.

Anyway, we'll give the plastic a try, although with our ultra low temps it might crack (everything plastic cracks up here). The Ripster is perfectly fine outside at -40 since she's a sled dog breed, as long as she can get out of the wind. But those temps do put an additional strain on her equipment.

I've seen some combo style "no slip" collars, like Martingale's but meant for leash or tie-out, that are supposed to tighten up with tension... but I wonder if they would work with twisting not just pulling. Ripley HATES being left behind and she goes completely bug-nuts with all sorts of lunging and high-flying acrobatics. Lord knows what she'd figure out left to her own devices once she calmed down. After she figured out that she couldn't drag the house like the railroad tie (yes, she pulled a full-sized railroad tie a half-mile) or pull/dig out the buried pipe like the trees (yes, she's uprooted several) then the collar testing would begin in earnest.

Guess that's the Catch-22 with large working dogs... smart enough to work, but too smart for their own good at times!
We are in Michigan...it gets cold here too.....hope it works for you. But, not that cold.
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Old 12-18-2011, 01:01 PM
 
Location: North Western NJ
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personally id forget the collar and go with a secure H style or step in harness...
it should be tight enough that ONLY 1-2 fingers placed side by side flat against the dog will fit...

if shes a serious escape artist i would go with a martingale or limited slip collar, itll tighten if she pulls but nothing like a choke chain or slip leash itll stop once its at tightness and loosen once she stops pulling, again it should fit SNUGLY,AND a harness... and a coupler.
clip the main line to the harness the coupler to the main line and the other end to the collar...that way if she slips the collar shes still secured via the harness. and visa versa.

you might also want to try an over the head Dog trolley instead of a simple line, even that id still go with a harness or a harness collar combo...but ive found they tend to be a little better accepted by most dogs than a regular tie out (and less likley to end up with a dog tangled around a post or tree...
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i dont like tie outs in general, but a tie out attatched to a collar is asking for trouble, its a serious choke hazard, a harness, even if the dog gets hoplesly tangled wont choke the dog to death.

hope you find a good working solution, akita and mals are both typically stubborn breds with a strong desire to run and escape lol.
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Old 12-18-2011, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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Thanks Foxy -- I'll have to try the Martingale style snugging collar with a harness and get an extra large clip to hook them both up on the cable (or get a cable splitter with 2 clips). She'd at least have to slip the collar and then chew through the harness... which would take a minimum of 30 minutes

I do want to get her a trolley line for a run between two poles (or the house and a pole) rather than a ground-level tie-out... just have to wait for the ground to thaw so I can sink the Sched 40 pipes and concrete them in. That way she can run around a bit when we let her out to water the trees, but she won't be able to take off into the forest on adventure. We don't leave her unattended while we're not home that often, but having the same solution for potty time and stay-behind time would be best.
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Old 12-18-2011, 06:52 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Get another Harness & rub it down real good with BenGay! Bet she wont chew it! Give her a Huge chewy to keep her busy LOL
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Old 12-18-2011, 07:58 PM
 
Location: middleboro, ma
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is there some reason you can't put up a fence instead of tying her?
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Old 12-18-2011, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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OP noted that completely fencing the acreage is in the plan, but hasn't happened yet. I'd imagine that digging holes this time of year in Alaska's interior would be challenging.
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Old 12-18-2011, 08:43 PM
 
Location: North Western NJ
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what you mean they dont have magical ground thawing drills in every backyard up in the frozen north?! :P
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