Pros and cons of dog/cat foods (lab, science, cost)

[WhatSayYou]

Originally Posted by AZ91

This ought to stir things up a bit. It is put out by veterinarian nutritionist who have no stake in the dog food industry.
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I guess he doesnt have stake, it's a sales pitch!! the person selling his service! wheres his evidence? best to look to UNBIASED sources in thse matters!!!!

we feed evanger PS the only things getting stirred up is your credit cards on there..

[AZ91]

Originally Posted by WhatSayYou

I guess he doesnt have stake, it's a sales pitch!! the person selling his service! wheres his evidence? best to look to UNBIASED sources in thse matters!!!!

we feed evanger PS the only things getting stirred up is your credit cards on there..

The service that they sell is balanced home made recipes for dogs. What they say through out their website, that dog food is perfectly okay, even the cheap store brand if it has the AAFCO statement on it, is not in the best interest of the service they are selling. Read through the whole site. They are board certified veterinary nutritionist. Their opinions are based on animal nutrition facts from scientific and medical research. How much more "UNBIASED" can you get? They don't sell any products and clearly state throughout their site that commercial dog food is best and that nutrition profile is more important than ingredients. Unless your "unbiased sources" have a degree in animal nutrition, I don't see how any rational person can discount what they say.

[LingLing]

Originally Posted by Travel'r

This is my last post on this forum, but curiosity is killing me here.

Would you mind elaborating on said diet?

For somebody into "research", I certainly trust it's not the food I suspect it may be -- unless, of course, you have a Holistic vet/Nutritional Specialist/a pro who actually studied and trained and knowledgable regarding nutrition & diet

Ciao.

Well, I don't think we figured out what was going on. The vet is not that good.
We started to feed Canidae in September of 2005.
First month, loose stool (was convinced that it took time to adjust)
Second and third month, continue to have loose stool and started to lick paw (blamed on hurricane Wilma that stirred soil and caused stress),
Forth month, suspect pancreases deficiency and test result was normal (I cried when I got the result. I know it would be a very tough fight if her pancreases level is low).
Fifth month, blamed on her shampoo. Put her on anti-histamine pills, anti-yeast medication for her ear and anti-itch shampoo. Nothing worked.
Six month, she started to have blood in her soft stool. I made a decision to switch vet.
New vet immediately recommended change of food. We tried Royal Canin Potato and Duck. My dog hated that food. I started to cook for her but she acted hungry all the time. At the same time, she stopped the licking her paw and no longer needs to have her anal sacs expressed once a month. My vet suggested to put her on Eukanuba Low Residue to stabilize her digestive system. Then we will start an expensive elimination diet to determine the source of the problem. The first time I put her on the diet. She ate the food fast. I finally saw firm stools. After a month, I stopped giving her anti-histamine pills. Since then, she has been on Eukanuba Low Residue and home cooked brown rice/chicken. She gained 12 pounds. Her allergic reaction disappeared and we have never started elimination diet. Looking back, I feel stupid.

[LingLing]

Originally Posted by LingLing

Okay. I admit that I exaggerated a little. I went to a pet food store and checked the label. On Evo canned food, a big sign "made with 95% chicken & Turkey"or 95% other meat. Then the content is 78% water so the actual chicken & Turkey is 20%. I think the label is very misleading

I want to add one point. Evo canned food listed chicken as the first ingredient. I checked Eukanuba low residue canned food. It also has 78% water and listed water as their first ingredient and chicken as their second ingredient. If you just rely on the order of the ingredient list, you would think Evo is a better food. But..

[cleosmom]

Originally Posted by LingLing

I want to add one point. Evo canned food listed chicken as the first ingredient. I checked Eukanuba low residue canned food. It also has 78% water and listed water as their first ingredient and chicken as their second ingredient. If you just rely on the order of the ingredient list, you would think Evo is a better food. But..

Are you even considering that some of the "water" content is in the chicken and turkey? The moist food, does not list it as having trkey or chiken meal, which is the actualy meat source sans moisture.

Secondly, I don't feed my dogs canned food as a primary diet. That's a treat once aevery few months

[LingLing]

Originally Posted by cleosmom

Are you even considering that some of the "water" content is in the chicken and turkey? The moist food, does not list it as having trkey or chiken meal, which is the actualy meat source sans moisture.

Secondly, I don't feed my dogs canned food as a primary diet. That's a treat once aevery few months

H2O =H2O no matter where it came from. The chicken can be fed a lot of H2O prior to be sacrificed. If H2O is a major component, it should be listed. I just question the claims that some of these diet manufacturers have made.

Of course, you feed what is the best for you dogs and what you believe in.

[cleosmom]

Originally Posted by LingLing

H2O =H2O no matter where it came from. The chicken can be fed a lot of H2O prior to be sacrificed. If H2O is a major component, it should be listed. I just question the claims that some of these diet manufacturers have made.

Of course, you feed what is the best for you dogs and what you believe in.

Just read the label, it lists moisture as 75%. While water is water, moisture in not simply water, it's also the brother of the chicken and turkey.

In the vent you wish to recheck it, you can find it here Meat-Based Pet Food – Premium Dog Food, Cat Food, Ferret Food, Dog Treats – EVO Pet Products (http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?panel=na&id=1494 - broken link)

[LingLing]

Originally Posted by cleosmom

Just read the label, it lists moisture as 75%. While water is water, moisture in not simply water, it's also the brother of the chicken and turkey.

In the vent you wish to recheck it, you can find it here Meat-Based Pet Food – Premium Dog Food, Cat Food, Ferret Food, Dog Treats – EVO Pet Products (http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?panel=na&id=1494 - broken link)

All the canned food including the Eukanuba I mentioned above listed that it has 78% moisture. But it is H2O. Well, what a chicken broth has? It contains H2O (>90%), some denatured proteins (<1%), some fat (<10%) and other elements. No matter what they call, H2O is the main component.

This doesn’t mean that Eukanuba is better than Evo. It just means everyone should be careful what each pet food maker’s claim on their website and on their big label. The guaranteed analysis is monitored and reported to the regulatory agency.

[cleosmom]

Originally Posted by LingLing

All the canned food including the Eukanuba I mentioned above listed that it has 78% moisture. But it is H2O. Well, what a chicken broth has? It contains H2O (>90%), some denatured proteins (<1%), some fat (<10%) and other elements. No matter what they call, H2O is the main component.

This doesn’t mean that Eukanuba is better than Evo. It just means everyone should be careful what each pet food maker’s claim on their website and on their big label. The guaranteed analysis is monitored and reported to the regulatory agency.

I wasn't trying to imply one was better than the other, simply discussing labels and interpretation with you. We've gone off track from the OP's question.....

[WhatSayYou]

Originally Posted by AZ91

Read through the whole site. They are board certified veterinary nutritionist. Their opinions are based on animal nutrition facts from scientific and medical research. How much more "UNBIASED" can you get? They don't sell any products and clearly state throughout their site that commercial dog food is best and that nutrition profile is more important than ingredients. Unless your "unbiased sources" have a degree in animal nutrition, I don't see how any rational person can discount what they say.

Google "Fiona MacMillan". If it weren't for her writings my cat would be his-tor-Y! If I listened to that other site and just read the **free** stuff, cat would be DEAD.
Sorry but I went to try to read even the articles on that site and they want the credit card for them too. My Cats a diabetic and just go on yourdiabetic cat.com and - while the doctor may have a book she wrote which the proceeds go to CHARITIES or whatever (NOT HER), her information is free to really help people.
she spends her life saving cats, is unbiased source if I ever saw one because she is about as specialized as you can get. its DR hodgkins. Just google her. She has MORE than just a DEGREE in being an expert at this!!

CHECK out her message forum with all the cat owners going through hell because they were on popular food. Just check it out. and see all the cats she is saving. Peoples real day by day stories!!!!!! SO yes, the other site is a crock compared to hers. They are only selling stuff on there with vague info and -again- where is their evidence?????? . My cat says hi. He was a goner if not for her info. Oh but now he's out of the weeds? Is it magic????
See the site for yourself. And google diabetic cats sometime and see if they should be eating the popular junk they do that's giving them the diabetes!!! Cats should be eating meat and not kibble anyway. I think that's rational enough to convince a cat owner who READS UP ON CATS and wants to SAVE THEM. Oh google Fiona MacMillan too. Sorry for talking about cats here but they're in the same "boat" with foods...