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Old 09-22-2007, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Hey


I met my friends pit bull today ...a red nose beauty and while he didnt' get along w/ my dog I thought he was darling.

I would like to know more about them, just because. So start tell me.I will never own one as I don't want that big a dog and the amount he sheds was annoying to me. The way the train is so different then ours. We take a softer apporach, but we have a softer pooch.

I have a aussie and my dogs energy against this dogs energy was to much(both were hyper). They did fine until Jack(pit) tried to wrestle and Cody would have none of that. Cody doesn't get along w/ huskies or labs so we thought it might not work. He just speaks a different language then they do. They great by jumping all over eachother and Cody greets by sniffs and races. ....so we separated them.

Anyways, he was very darling.
I've never met one. My family thinks they are mean, so none of us own them and I don't pet random peoples dogs.

anyways, ...here a question. Why do people think red nose pits are even meaner
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I think people dislike or think they look more mean because they look it. I have loved every pit I've come across. May it be walking downt he street with some one or a stray brought into our shelter. We have a new one every week I go and volunteer.

Here are a few pictures of pits i've worked with and some I still do.
This is Princess. She had a litter of 12 and was left to fend for herself and her pups. She was 15 pounds when they found her and only three of her twelve servived. She now is in a foster home and weighs over 50 pounds.
Princess's Pup J.D. a 5 1/2 month old Boxer/Staff mix.
Layla is a 3 month old Staff and was also left to fend for herself at 8 weeks old.
Leyla with her new friend Jelly Bean who was a stray. She is only 6 weeks old. Leyla has taken to mother her.
Ziggy is a 3 1/2 year old Pit who we've had for three years of his life. He's pretty much our mascot

i have plenty more pictures, but I wont stop up your thread with them lol
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Camano Island, WA
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here a question. Why do people think red nose pits are even meaner


That is such a misconception. Truth of the matter is they are not "mean" dogs.
It goes right back to the irresponsible owner that chooses to make a dog "mean"...and that goes for any kind of a dog.
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:52 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine, Florida
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*This is going to be pretty long, but please take some time and read it. I tried to fit in as much info as I possibly could! lol!*

First off, I have to say that "pit bull" isn't a breed of dog. "Pit bull" is a term used to group three breeds, American Pit Bull Terriers (APBT), American Staffordshire Terriers (AmStaff) and Staffordshire Bull Terrier (Staffie). Some "pit bull" owners and some people that are very knowledgeable about "pit bulls" will call APBTs "pit bulls" because they are the one breed that actually has "pit bull" in its name, but they normally call AmStaffs AmStaffs and Staffies Staffies, not "pit bulls". People that don't know much or anything about these breeds, or at least nothing truthful about them, just call them "pit bulls", they don't realize that that's just a term used to group three breeds.

Now, I'm going to assume that your friend owns an APBT, but even if they own an AmStaff or a Staffie, a lot of this will still apply. Just like every other breed, APBTs, AmStaffs and Staffies all come in different colors and of course, have different bloodlines, but no matter what the dogs bloodline is and no matter what the color is, it's still just an APBT, an AmStaff or a Staffie. There aren't different "types" or "kinds" of "pit bulls", just different colors and bloodlines, just like every breed. The color of the dog doesn't have anything to do with the dogs temperament or personality, it's all how the dog is bred, raised, trained, socialized and handled. Red nose "pit bulls" are not any different than a blue, a brindle, a white, a black, etc, they are all still the same breed.

For hundreds of years "pit bulls" were bred to fight dogs, certain traits were bred into the bloodlines for that purpose, high pain tolerance, high prey drive, etc. However a quality that was never bred into "pit bulls" was human aggression. Human "aggressive" dogs were undesirable as these dogs required extensive handling prior to and during their fights AND most of these dogs were also family pets so no human aggression was ever tolerated. Dogs that exhibited human aggression were typically culled, meaning that only human friendly lines were perpetuated and desired. It has been said that a "pit bull" never met a stranger. They love and adore humans. They want so much to be apart of your family and spend time with you watching TV, walking, driving, etc. I have seen severely abused and neglected "pit bulls" who see you coming and they can't wait to be petted and loved. Even after the abuse, they want nothing more than to be with a family of their own! As with any breed there are exceptions to the normal temperament and behavior. We see this in humans as well, there are good ones and bad ones.

American Pit Bull Terriers are not the breed for first time owners and just like every other breed, they are not right for everyone. They are terriers, they are working dogs, they are very smart and very active. They need to get a lot of daily exercise and they need a "job" to do, they need to be challenged both mentally and physically to be happy and healthy. They are a dominate breed and can be stubborn at times. They need a strong, experienced pack leader to properly raise, train and socialize them, show them who is in charge and keep them in line. They are not a good breed for someone that wants a guard dog because of their love of humans, even complete strangers. They do, however, have an uncanny ability to know when someone or something is truly a threat or not. They get very attached to their owners very quickly and they are not good dogs for someone that wants an outside dog or someone that won't be home a lot. They need lots of love and attention! When they are well bred and have the right owner, these are wonderful, friendly, loving dogs!

Here is a good description of the APBTs temperament from this website American Pit Bull Terrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"When treated well, APBTs typically have sunny personalities. They are very sweet, curious, intelligent, and clownish. They are noted for their outgoing, affectionate, eager-to-please disposition and their fondness for people. They adore attention, often relishing the company of humans and are notorious for their loyalty to their masters, even giving their lives for them. When raised with a firm but fair hand an APBT can make a wonderful family pet, however, APBTs can also be stubborn and prone to display aggression towards other dogs. Thus, they should not be the first choice of dog for a novice dog owner... Despite the stereotype, the average, sound-minded pit bull is not a threat where children are concerned... APBTs were never bred for human aggression or guarding behavior; generally they only will attack if they perceive an immediate threat to their masters or families rather than seeing every person as an intruder upon their territory. They were originally bred against human aggression because in the pit fighting days the handlers had to be able to handle their dogs as well as treat their wounds, and if necessary, quickly pull the dog out of a fight for various reasons. Any dog that did show the slightest sign of human aggression in that day was 'culled', and therefore, not allowed to carry on its bloodline. For that reason stable examples of the breed are generally not suitable as guard dogs. It is important that APBTs who display any sign of human aggression are not bred, in order to preserve the stable and friendly nature of the breed, and equally important that man aggressive dogs are never kept."

And here's another description of the APBTs temperament from this website American Pit Bull Terrier, Pit Bulls, Pitbulls

"By no means are these dogs people-haters or people-eaters. Their natural aggressive tendencies are towards other dogs and animals, not people. However if they are properly socialized they will not even be aggressive with them. These are truly quality companions for quality owners only! The American Pit Bull Terrier is a good-natured, amusing, extremely loyal and affectionate family pet, which is good with children and adults. Almost always obedient it is always eager to please it's master."

My husband and I own three wonderful APBTs! Brooklyn is our 1 year 5 month old male, Jayda is our 10 month old female and Destiny is our 8 month old female. All three of them have been properly trained and socialized, they get the exercise, love and attention that they need and my husband and I are responsible, respectful owners. Our dogs are absolute sweet hearts! They really do love everyone! They are very, very friendly to strangers, they have even let a complete stranger (Well, he was a stranger to them, but not my husband and I) walk into our home when we weren't there and all they did was lick him! They live for children! They have been raised around children and just absolutely love them! They spend a lot of time with my 9 year old brother-in-law, my 7 year old sister-in-law, my neighbor/ best friends 2 year old son and 3 year old daughter and all of the children that live on our street ( who are all between 2 years old and 17 years old pretty much)! They even get along wonderfully with animals, dogs and cats! We have never had one of our dogs get aggressive with another animal or get in a fight with another animal. Well, no, I take that back, our neighbors that live across the street from us have three dogs, they have 2 very, very aggressive Lab/ Shepherd mixes and a sweet "pit bull". One day as my husband was walking through our yard to come home from taking Brooklyn on a walk one of the neighbors Lab/ Shepherd mixes ran into our yard and attacked Brooklyn (Brooklyn was leashed as all of our dogs always are when they are outside). Brooklyn did defend himself, but the second the other dogs owner came to get him dog Brooklyn stopped. Brooklyn was pretty beat up, but there wasn't even one mark on the aggressive dog. Besides that though none of our dogs have ever been in a fight and none of them have been aggressive towards another dog.

I have owned a Chocolate Lab, a Fox Hound, a Cocker Spaniel, a Black Lab, a Rhodesian Ridgeback/ Rottweiler mix, 2 Mini Schnauzers and now 3 American Pit Bull Terriers. All of my dogs have been smart, friendly, great dogs, but honestly, our APBTs have been by far the best dogs all around that I have ever owned! My husband and I have both grown up around "pit bulls" and most of our friends and family own at least one APBT, AmStaff and/ or Staffie. Most of these dogs live in homes with other pets and children and not one of them is mean. I have never met a mean "pit bull". Not one of these dogs has ever bitten or attacked someone, and I don't know anyone who has been bitten or attacked by a "pit bull". I do know quite a few aggressive dogs of other breeds and I know a few people that have been bitten or attacked by dogs of other breeds. I was bitten in the face by a Chow and attacked by a Lab, my brother was attacked by a Lab, my neighbors (from when I was younger) had a young Lab that attacked 5 people before it was finally put to sleep and my neighbors across the street from us have two extremely aggressive Lab/ Shepherd mixes, one of which has attacked one of our dogs! I know people that have been bitten or attacked by a couple other breeds as well, but the most aggressive dog(s) I have ever been around have been Labs and Lab mixes!

Anyway, to get back to the subject.. Like any breed of dog, a healthy "pit bull" that is properly raised will remain loving and friendly. In the past 20 years, we have seen some sad examples of poorly bred and badly treated dogs that are by products of irresponsible "backyard breeders" and cruel and abusive homes. These improperly raised, unsocialized creatures can show temperaments far removed from the traditional authentic "pit bulls." Do not confuse these unfortunate misbreds with the HUGE majority of well-loved "pit bulls" in this country that remain solid in temperament, affectionate, trustworthy and friendly to their dying day.

Here are some "pit bull" myths and the facts...

-"Pit bulls" are born to be mean: Not True! "Pit bulls" like all other breeds, are not born inherently mean or bad! They can, like any other breed, become mean through lack of training, abuse, neglect and irresponsible ownership and breeding.

-"Pit bulls" attack more than any other breed: No, the statistical data on dog bites and attacks are inaccurate. Many dog bites are never reported. There is nothing in place to track dog bites in the US accurately. There are 25+ breeds that are commonly wrongly identified as "pit bulls", Those of us who have been involved with the breed for years have trouble identifying them 100% of the time, so, we certainly can’t expect inexperienced people to be able to properly ID a dog. That said, it leads us to believe that many of the bites that claim to be from "pit bulls" are in fact, inflicted by other breeds.

-"Pit bulls" have locking jaws: NO! The "pit bulls" jaws are the same as any other breed of dog! Any Veterinarian can verify this is simply a myth.

-"Pit bulls" have a 1800 PSI Jaw Pressure: Wrong again. Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic (Dangerous Encounters: Bite Force, 8pm est 8/18/2005) – Dr. Barr measured bite forces of many different creatures. Domestic dogs were included in the test. Here are the results of all of the animals tested: Humans: 120 pounds of bite pressure Domestic dogs: 320 LBS of pressure on avg. A German Shepard, American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) and Rottweiler were tested using a bite sleeve equipped with a specialized computer instrument. The APBT had the least amount of pressure of the 3 dogs tested.

-"Pit bulls" brains swell/never stop growing: This rumor started with the Doberman, and has since been said about game-bred dogs in general. The concept of an animal's brain swelling or growing too large and somehow causing the animal to "go crazy" is not based in truth in any way. Their brains grow at the same rate as any other dog, and the only time that a "pit bull's" brain is going to swell is if it receives a serious injury. If an animal's brain were to grow too big for its head, the animal would die.

-"Pit bulls" "turn" on people: In fact, no breed of dog does. Dog aggression is nearly always preceded by some kind of warning, and there is always a reason behind the attack. However, many inexperienced owners do not recognize the dog's behavior as aggression, or refuse to acknowledge it as a warning sign. The only exception I can think of is Springer Rage, a rare and controversial neurological condition that manifests itself as a spontaneous attack, followed by confusion, and then a return to normal behavior. "Pit bulls" are NOT prone to this condition. There are individual dogs of any breed that may be more aggressive to others.

-A "pit bull" that shows aggression towards a dog, will go after people next: No, animal aggression and human aggression are 2 completely different things! There are many types of aggression in the canine world and they are all very different.

Here are some commonly asked "pit bull" questions and the truthful answers...

-Question: Are "pit bulls" inherently dangerous to people? Answer: No! "Pit bulls" are no more inherently dangerous to people than other dog breeds. People often assume that "pit bulls" are human aggressive because they were bred to fight animals. This is simply not true! If that were the case then Irish Wolfhounds, Anatolian Shepard's, Great Pyrenees, etc should be considered dangerous to humans as well.

-Question: Why do we hear so many negative "pit bull" stories in the Media and are they true? Answer: There are a few things that contribute to the negative stories on the news. As often the case, negative stories always seem to get National coverage, where the positive stories only make the local news. The Media is not always very responsible with their stories! I have seen news reports of a dog attack by another breed and, yet the media had a picture of a "pit bull" on the TV while reporting this story. I’ve read many stories where the reporter obviously hadn’t done any research, when asked about their statistics they choose not to reply.

Every 10 years or so a new breed of dog is victimized by irresponsible owners, breeders, bad media coverage, and now it’s the "pit bull’s" turn. In the 70’s it was the German Shepherd, the 80’s was the Doberman’s turn, the 90’s Rottweilers and "pit bulls" had all the bad press, and now it’s the "pit bull’s" time to suffer again. And, unfortunately, in a few years it will be another breed that will be in the spotlight.

-Question: Do "pit bulls" make good pets? Answer: Yes, but "pit bulls" are not for everyone, just like any other breed of dog. Research should be done on any breed prior to making a decision. The best place for responsible "pit bull" information is Pit Bull Rescue Central Pit Bull Rescue Central. The American Pit Bull Terrier was the #1 family dog in the US during first part of the 20th century. They are Loyal, loving, devoted, funny, and almost human like in their emotions and expressions!

"Pit bulls" bond very fast and very strongly to their humans and need to spend a lot of time with you. If you are not home a lot or plan on keeping the dog in the yard, etc, then a "pit bull" isn’t for you! "Pit bulls" are dominant breeds and require a strong pack leader who is always in control. Obedience and socialization is mandatory with this breed and should be with any breed.

-Question: Are "pit bulls" good with children? Answer: Properly raised and socialized dogs are great with children! They are able to stand the rough and tumble play of a toddler. As with other medium-large breed dogs, "pit bulls" can accidentally knock kids over during play, etc so they should always be supervised. Dogs of any breed should never be left alone with children.

And here's some interesting info..

-APBTs are one of the most stable, people-friendly breeds in existence!

-In temperament testing the APBTs tests better than popular family breeds such as the Golden and Beagle.

-"Pit bulls" are known as nanny dogs for their love of children.

-For hundreds of years "pit bulls" have been bred to have a human friendly disposition and an overwhelming sense of need to please their owners.

-"Pit bulls" are currently used and suitable for all types of service work including drug detection, emergency rescue, service and therapy work, military service, and much more.

-The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) is additionally one of the most intelligent and easy to train breed of dogs. The trainer of the show dog Lassie has even remarked on how the APBT is his choice of breed for training.

-The second Petey (Lucenay's Peter) from the Little Rascals was a UKC registered APBT, Lucenay's Peter. In 1936 he was cross registered with the AKC as a AMSTAFF.

-The WWI Poster dog was a "pit bull".

-Staffordshire Terrier, Sergeant Stubby was decorated WWII war hero. He sought out wounded soldiers and caught enemy snipers.

-Popcicle, the Number 1 US Customs dog is a rescued "pit bull", that was left to die in a freezer.

-During the 40's and 50's the American Pit Bull Terrier was the number 1 family dog.

Also, here is a short video about "pit bulls" that I made.. Jumpcut - The real pit bull (http://www.jumpcut.com/view?id=69774E102FBD11DC9353000423CF381C - broken link)

And here are my three favorite "pit bull" videos, besides the ones that I made of course! lol!


YouTube - BSL: American Pit Bull Terrier

YouTube - The Great American Pit Bull Terrier

YouTube - Hero dogs

I have to post pictures of our fur babies! I'm so proud of them and I love to show them off any chance I get!

This is Brooklyn, our 1 year 5 month old male APBT..


This is Jayda, our 10 month old female APBT..


This is Destiny, our 8 month old female APBT..
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:53 PM
 
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TeddieXRuxpin, the dog pics are beautiful!!!


*I love the pic of Layla!!...Awwww...are all those dogs currently available?*
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:58 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine, Florida
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I think people dislike or think they look more mean because they look it. I have loved every pit I've come across. May it be walking downt he street with some one or a stray brought into our shelter. We have a new one every week I go and volunteer.

Here are a few pictures of pits i've worked with and some I still do.
This is Princess. She had a litter of 12 and was left to fend for herself and her pups. She was 15 pounds when they found her and only three of her twelve servived. She now is in a foster home and weighs over 50 pounds.
Princess's Pup J.D. a 5 1/2 month old Boxer/Staff mix.
Layla is a 3 month old Staff and was also left to fend for herself at 8 weeks old.
Leyla with her new friend Jelly Bean who was a stray. She is only 6 weeks old. Leyla has taken to mother her.
Ziggy is a 3 1/2 year old Pit who we've had for three years of his life. He's pretty much our mascot

i have plenty more pictures, but I wont stop up your thread with them lol
Great post and adorable pitties! Jelly Bean is too cute! I can't give you rep. points right now, it says I have to spread the love before I can give you points again, but as soon as I can I will!
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Old 09-22-2007, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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TeddieXRuxpin, the dog pics are beautiful!!!


*I love the pic of Layla!!...Awwww...are all those dogs currently available?*
Yep all are available! Pits are super hard to find homes for here. We get so many and we get some pretty bad people coming into the shelter. We've had Ziggy for 3 years and another dog Sugar for 1 2/3 years.

PitBullMommie1206 - Thank you! I've been over the whole "pit bull" craze so many time I'm sick lol. Some one actually came in today and asked if we were getting any of Michael vicks dogs. Don't even get me started if you guys could have only seen my face at that time
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Old 09-22-2007, 08:37 PM
 
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Yep all are available! Pits are super hard to find homes for here. We get so many and we get some pretty bad people coming into the shelter. We've had Ziggy for 3 years and another dog Sugar for 1 2/3 years.

PitBullMommie1206 - Thank you! I've been over the whole "pit bull" craze so many time I'm sick lol. Some one actually came in today and asked if we were getting any of Michael vicks dogs. Don't even get me started if you guys could have only seen my face at that time
I wish either we lived in Texas or these pups were in Florida! I would have to adopt one! They are all so adorable! I hope they all find wonderful, loving, forever homes like they deserve!.. I'm so surprised that Ziggy hasn't found a home! We would take him in a heart beat! He's such a handsome man! I can't get over how cute Leyla and Jelly Belly are! How do you do adoptions at your shelter? Do you have people fill out an application (or whatever you would call it.. lol) and then you decide if they can adopt or not, or can people just come in and adopt without having to do a whole lot? When I adopted my Fox Hound and my Rhodesian Ridgeback/ Rottweiler mix, we didn't have to do much of anything! Basically all I did was fill out some paper work, pay and then I took my new babies home! If you do the whole application thing is there one on the website that we could fill out and e-mail in? Do you ever have people from out of state adopt? I don't know if my husband would want to adopt another pitty or not, but if there was anyway at all that we could work something out somehow I would LOVE to adopt one of these pups!

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Old 09-22-2007, 08:54 PM
 
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Default I love my pit

I had to jump in with a few pictures of my pit, Zach. One picture is a baby picture (he was 8 months old) with some toys. The other is a picture of him with my daughter's cat.

I love pits. They are some of the sweetest dogs. Unfortunately, they are also some of the most abused and misunderstood. It is very tragic what happens to many of these dogs; the ignorance concerning pitbulls is quite sad.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:40 PM
 
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I did know they are called APBT ....just didn't think I needed to write it.
Thanks for all the info. ...her guy is a red/blonde color and is 85 pounds.
The strength of the dog was amazing to me. Well, he seemed like a big baby and listened very well.
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