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Old 07-03-2012, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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It must be flea season, because there seem to be a lot of these threads right now!

I'm just wondering if anyone's heard of a product called "Liberty 50?" I was at the County Fair yesterday, and bought a box (3 tubes) for $23 at a dog specialty booth. I've had him on Advantage II for about a year now, and it works fine on keeping the fleas away... he's horribly allergic to fleas, so that's a great thing! But recently I found a few ticks on him, after coming back from a local park we frequent. I found out they're common at that park, so now I need something that repels TICKS too. This product covers fleas, ticks, mites, mosquitoes, and is made in Nevada w/ EPA registration.

Here's the box, where you can see the ingredients... any input is welcomed, as I don't want to use it until I've done some research! I'll also ask my vet, since we have to wait a few weeks anyway (he just got an Advantage treatment).



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Old 07-03-2012, 03:14 AM
 
Location: The Great State of Arkansas
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I haven't seen or used it, but on first glance and comparing it with Advantix, the two active ingredients are the same. Advantix also has imidacloprid, which paralyzes some insects and is made by Bayer (primarily for fleas).

Permethrin levels in Advantix are 44%; in Liberty it's 50%. (this is the one that's so dangerous for cats, and it isn't waterproof). I think this one is also the ingredient that so many animals have built up a resistance to - so I'd guess that's why there's the increase. Not necessarily a better product, just more of it. Supposedly it is the best for ticks, though.

Pyriproxyfen in Advantix is 0.44%; in Liberty it is 1.20% (this is the one that keeps the larvae from maturing, I think).

All in all, a substantial increase in 2 active chemicals and a complete lack of 1. Hmmmm. Yep, vet time!
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Southeast Idaho
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For what its worth, I've heard it compared to Hartz Having said that, I will tell you what I tell our clients, talk to your vet, when it comes to treating your dog, something "cheap" could wind up being expensive in the long run.
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:14 AM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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Permethrin isn't something I'd want to put on a family member.

And it's not good for the environment.


And No, I haven't heard of the brand. They're claiming the word "liberty" as registered trademark. I would be very surprised if it actually was registered.
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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Some more to read:

EPA
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_s...8-20081230.pdf
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_s...8-20080904.pdf
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_s...8-20090128.pdf

MSDS
http://www.kellysolutions.com/erenew...6_38_39_PM.pdf
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Permethrin isn't something I'd want to put on a family member.

And it's not good for the environment.
Interesting, because I'm pretty sure that's what my vet tech friend recommended! And as Sam said above, it's the same chemical used in Advantix.

But thanks to everyone who replied, and it looks like I'll have to run it by my vet first... I figured for that price, it was worth it to "buy now and ask later" (later being BEFORE using it on my dog, of course). FYI, that was just the County Fair price - it's normally priced higher, if that matters any. But if it turns out to be a no-go, at least I've only wasted $23 instead of the usual $50+.
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:22 AM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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Interesting, because I'm pretty sure that's what my vet tech friend recommended! And as Sam said above, it's the same chemical used in Advantix.

And it's the same chemical the exterminator sprays to kill roaches.
And it's used in many of the insecticide products sold at the hardware store.


The warnings on the package speak for themselves.


Why not just use Frontline Plus?
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Old 07-04-2012, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Why not just use Frontline Plus?
Does it kill ticks? Look, money is tight for me right now, and the woman who ran that booth seemed to know her stuff... so I thought it was worth a shot, and asked here for opinions before trying it. I will still ask my vet, and if he says no, I'll finish off our Advantage II and just check him manually for ticks if we go to that park again. I'm starting a new (better paying) job next week, but in the meantime I just can't afford a whole box of Frontline.
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:33 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Have you checked out this thread yet?

A simple solution for fleas.

You might want to try EOs...much less expensive, and they have been very effective for me...plus there are other benefits for the dog due to their therapeutic properties, lavender and peppermint EOs are fairly inexpensive and will make up quite a bit of repelling "spritz" if you want to try it !
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