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Old 10-20-2007, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Metrowest area of Massachusetts
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samara, I saw that club in Boston just this morning doing a search, found it through the leerburg forum. You know how trainers are about each other, LOL? So I hear!

My trainer formed the 1st OFFICIAL Belgian Ring Club in the US., 'NVBK New England'. My dogs are NVBK papered and from very old bloodlines. I have never asked him on events, I know he goes, but I will. I just go for 'my type' of training every week and try to concentrate. I need more training than the dogs do, and for a novice I'm working 2 of them. It's physically taxing for me.

I wouldn't have the knowledge, time or dedication to work and bring a dog to that level. I commend those who do.

My dogs father, Eros who is owned by my trainer, is the 1st dog to ever place 1st in the Belgian Ring Cat3 trials. A serious reality dog too, very impressive. Here is Eros. And the grandfathers are the infamous V'Racky and A'Tim, so I know what I have.



I can only hope my dogs turn out half as good as their father.

Oh ya, I know what you mean about the Mal, they are high maintenance. I can't believe I have 2 of them.
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hi Sam, My long and arduous process was probably fruitless, and not laid out properly (i tried but I have very limited knowledge) but hell I had no idea what it means/is, until owning one.
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:29 AM
 
Location: The Great State of Arkansas
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Hey ya'll - I just posted a poll to see if anyone would be interested in having a subforum for the different competitive events so we can all learn about things that might stimulate us AND our dogs - there's a wealth of info on this board - please vote!
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Metrowest area of Massachusetts
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Hey ya'll - I just posted a poll to see if anyone would be interested in having a subforum for the different competitive events so we can all learn about things that might stimulate us AND our dogs - there's a wealth of info on this board - please vote!
I think that's a great idea. So many people from around the world visit this forum, and these types of activities are very popular.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:05 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Last year I was renting an apartment in Federal Way, WA. When you first entered the apartment the kitchen was on the right and the living room was several feet straight ahead. the first thing you saw when you entered was the living room couch. If you walked into the apartment and made a left (right before the living room) there was a short hallway that led to three bedrooms. From the foot of my bed you could see into this hallway, but not from the head of the bed. My then 3 1/2-year-old dog Zach (a pit bull I adopted from a NYC shelter @ 5 months old) often slept on my bed at the foot.

One night last year my daughter (then 15) was sleeping on the couch and I was sleeping in my bedroom. In the middle of the night (about 2:00 am) I was awoke by my dog stirring. I looked at my dog and noticed him staring at something in the hallway. Suddenly I heard this deep, low, gutteral growl come out of him. I had never heard a growl like that come from him in the three years I owned him (and haven't since). There was something to the quality of the growl that told me someone was standing in the hallway that shouldn't be there. I yelled out my daughter's name and my dog and I both jumped out of bed at the same time and started towards the living room. I heard my front door slam shut. Before I got to the living room my daughter screamed that a man just ran out the front door. Someone had broken into our apartment, saw my daughter asleep on the couch, and proceeded to walk into the apartment and down the hallway towards the bedrooms. Thank God I had my dog whose growl I believe scared him off. I don't know for sure what Zach would have done if it came to a physical confrontation with the intruder, but by the quality of the growl I knew Zach was all business - he was pissed. I strongly suspect by his growl he would have attacked.

Funny thing is my daughter's friends spent the night often and walked around in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, kitchen, etc and Zach would just look up and then go back to sleep. He just seemed to know that the intruder didn't belong. He is otherwise very friendly and loves kids and is cat friendly; he was actually attacked by a cat in the apartment community and hid behind me. It was really embarrasing having a shaking 65-pound pit bull hiding behind me from an attacking cat while some teenage boy yelled to his mother that her cat that was trying to kill the neighbor's dog!
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Central Jersey - Florida
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I own a licensed Detective Agency, work high profile comp case, which involve allot of sneaking around, i do witness locates, statements, court testimony etc... allot of it can boring until you get whacked like I did last year. I had followed my target to the Seakonk Speedway, the tip was the target was working in a pit crew while collecting $$$ from comp, my target 'made me' & he sicked his 41 year old son on me who forced his way info my car, grabbed my video camera, pulled me out of the car to the ground and ran with it, all the while the place was packed and the cops were on him fast, with me yelling robbery HELP., he was cuffed & stuffed on 2 min demeanors and 1 felony. Note: be a good witness and do not shoot in this type of situation, it was not a deadly encounter.

I was threatened at the 3rd court hearing by the punk 20 year old grunge out grandson which just infuriated me more to keep fighting and take it to trial, which I did and won. He followed me to my car to get my license plate number. That made me nervous but I figured if any one showed at my house sooner or later they'd be in for a big surprise, it never happened yet.

I run into creeps, arsonists , rapists and the real low life criminal element all the time. I'm a 50 year old woman and I can't run to save my life, I will, but I'd rather not have to shoot someone so the dogs are my cushion.
Chick, I just retired after 30 years of protecting and serving . I've been threatened by countless numbers of low lifes, scu+ba+s and creatins of society. I've gone through the "I'm gonna find out where you live and pay you a visit routine" or "if I see you on the street you a dead man". That's when I use to tell them. Don't wait do it now! It never came to pass. My home security system is three layered. I have a home alarm, I have the three pooches (#1 pooch don't let anybody in) and then there's me. Break into my home and you may get the "LOUISVILLE SLUGGER TREATMENT", break into my home with a weapon and you will probably meet your maker, plain and simple. By the way when you were threatened in court was it put on the record and do you have an order of protection against him? You see when I finally become in charge, things will be changing a bit. When that punk threatened you in an open courtroom in my perfect world that would have given you the right to go over and punch him square in his face. Good luck to you and stay safe!
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Central Jersey - Florida
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samara, I saw that club in Boston just this morning doing a search, found it through the leerburg forum. You know how trainers are about each other, LOL? So I hear!

My trainer formed the 1st OFFICIAL Belgian Ring Club in the US., 'NVBK New England'. My dogs are NVBK papered and from very old bloodlines. I have never asked him on events, I know he goes, but I will. I just go for 'my type' of training every week and try to concentrate. I need more training than the dogs do, and for a novice I'm working 2 of them. It's physically taxing for me.

I wouldn't have the knowledge, time or dedication to work and bring a dog to that level. I commend those who do.

My dogs father, Eros who is owned by my trainer, is the 1st dog to ever place 1st in the Belgian Ring Cat3 trials. A serious reality dog too, very impressive. Here is Eros. And the grandfathers are the infamous V'Racky and A'Tim, so I know what I have.



I can only hope my dogs turn out half as good as their father.

Oh ya, I know what you mean about the Mal, they are high maintenance. I can't believe I have 2 of them.
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hi Sam, My long and arduous process was probably fruitless, and not laid out properly (i tried but I have very limited knowledge) but hell I had no idea what it means/is, until owning one.
I don't know if it's you that I spoke to in a direct message about the flying maligator but what do you think? This is very similar to what the one I was talking about does when she hits you high on the sleeve. She hits you at full speed, and twists her body 180 degrees on impact. I've never seen anyone take a high hit from her and remain on their feet. The scary part is I don't think she weighs 65 lbs.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r131/exhdo1/Malinois.jpg (broken link)
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Old 10-20-2007, 12:05 PM
 
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Chick,
I assume you're talking to me? My, you seem very worked up. Sorry, I still totally disagree with you. If I'm being attacked, I don't need to be able to call my dog off--he can tear the attacker apart. The key is having a dog which does not attack unless the threat is REAL (like the owner is being pinned by an attacker). Despite what you think, there are dogs who hae been bred specifically for this, and do it like this every single time the situation arises. But believe what you like.
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Old 10-20-2007, 12:16 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Arkansas
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Strawberry...

I'm not sure what post we're referring to - I'm quite lost. However, I will have to disagree with not being able to call your dog off. I would think that is an essential part of even basic obedience....bred or trained, isn't the goal to have a dog under voice control or hand signal control?

My other argument would be strictly legal...which I suppose is OT. In Arkansas, the home defense law says you will retreat to the furthest safe point possible before engaging in deadly force...meaning if someone kicks in your front door, the law (although I disagree) says you gotta go out the back door if at all possible...only when you've hit a dead end can you retaliate. I'm sure there's some legal argument to be made for your dog inpacitating an intruder versus allowing the intruder to be mauled and possibly killed. And juries are loose cannons these days.

My personal opinion is those of us who own bully breeds, working breeds, and defense dogs need to be pretty damned careful of the methods we use and what we endorse. The movement is underway to deny us our legal rights - a well trained dog gets no press, only those which inflict injury.
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Old 10-20-2007, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Metrowest area of Massachusetts
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Above where I stated Eros won 1st pace in the cat3, I failed to word it correctly, he was the 1st to win it in the USA.

ha ha ha wow that is UP in the air... oh that is a funny picture, is that your dog? woo woo that looks like fun.
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I had left the court house after the 3rd time (they were stalling & going back and forth with pleas, you know how that goes) one of the charges was a felony, and that day was over, so I walked outside and immediate observed I was being shadowed, I had parked a distance from the court house and I thought whoops, quick cross of the street to double back and get a 'court officer'. No cops present just CO's.

and the kid is still following me, right back inside. So I walked up to the 1st court officer I saw and asked for an escort to my car.

He walked with me, and the kid (who is the son of the perpetrator and grandson of the Claimant) STILL FOLLOWED right behind us.

I was getting nervous, I didn't want him to get my plate number so I whispered to the CO, 'can't you stop here and STOP him from following' he's trying to get my plate number, and I'll continue on? NO, said he could not detain him because he wasn't a cop.

When I got in my car the kid said 'see ya soon' That's the threat, enough for me.

After that, I installed motion senors in every area of my yard, in the house it tells me where a breach was made, like 'ALERT, Intruder in the driveway', or 'ALERT, Intruder in the rear yard', etc. I was worried about my play cars too, 2 vettes & a chevelle ss. I didn't want to be coughing up deductibles for damage. Very unnerving. I swear I had my glock pasted in my right hand for a month.
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Old 10-20-2007, 12:19 PM
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Location: MA/NH
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I believe that all three of my dogs would try to protect me. The mini poodle would bite for sure. The terrier and the lab I don't know about. The lab has a nice deep warning bark and his hair stands up along his back. But it's not their job to protect me though. However, they are a good early warning system for incoming visitors to the yard, and that's more than fine with me. I live in a really safe city. I am set back from the road, but my neighbors houses are only yards away. Two houses have elderly couples in them that never leave their house. And frankly, I don't want to worry about one of my dogs biting anyone by mistake.

Otherwise, if we ever were under attack and someone hurt or killed one of my dogs, I would be quite devastated. They are my children.

After watching a few movies like Sam Peckinpah's Straw Dogs, I have more than a few ideas on how to protect myself at home without a gun or dedicated attack dog.
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