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Old 10-04-2013, 08:24 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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It is prerequisite for owners to be in control of their animals in any public venue. Off leash handling is not appropriate in any public place, especially the vets, where other animals are always present. Any dog can take a notion at anytime to provoke a situation. Even if the intent is friendly, another animal, or person, may not take it that way, and react defensively, sparking an unpleasant situation. As it has been said, this has nothing to do with breed. It can happen with a Yorky as easy as a Pit. Controlling your animal should never be taken for granted, and no matter how well trained the animal may be, a leash is just common sense.

This guy brought a sick animal in without restraint. Blitheringly stupid! The dog was out of sorts, by his own admission, and he even stated behavior was unpredictable in the animals current state. Serious brain fart, put mildly. I have seen the friendliest of animals turn nasty when they are sick or hurt. It is a natural thing. Unlike people, they can't tell you where it hurts. Extreme care must be taken with ANY sick or injured critter.

Yea, I would find a new vet. Situations like this are intolerable, and for them to put up with it is as well.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:25 AM
 
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I agree that something in this story sounds a little "off",
had this happened to me I would have put my child and cat in car and then gone back
inside to request a talk with office manager. right there in front of said
mod cutowner.

agreeing that calling is a better way of stating your displeasure.

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Old 10-04-2013, 08:52 AM
 
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Os this am, I had to take my cat to the vet along with my 3yo daughter. The cat needed a couple procedures in the back so we were in the waiting room waiting for her and our bill to brought up to the front desk...

The waiting room isn't very large without much room to move around. They've got like two or three little cafe chair , a big scale and some shelving with food for sale...

In comes a guy with large dog, no leash no collar.

Owner is a med size guy. He weighted the dog first off, it's well over 80lbs so literally 2 and a half times the size of my daughter.

One of the two girls from the front desk gets up, goes in the back brings back a leash that she has looped around itself - I think she would have brought a collar too but the dogs neck was just massive - I doubt they woud have had one that large laying around.... He takes the leash and thanks her but then just holds onto it - somthing about not wanting to bother/irritate the dog since he's comfortable (dog is now laying in the middle of the floor of the very small waiting area...

My daughter notices the dog, and make a slight movement towards it..... I say, "no no honey - remember what we talked about? We never go up to puppies that we don't know, please come stand by me" . Thankfully- she is very well trained about dog safety and did as I asked with no pushback. I immedietly shifted so I was between her and the dog...

Owner says " yeah, normally he's pretty good with kids but he's been really sick for two days and I'm really afriad of what he would do if you got too close - he's been very grouchy"

Are you kidding me ? normally pretty good with kids?

I was so tempted to go off on him - but was afraid that might set the mod cutdog off. Finally, they came out with the cat, we paid and got out of there...

I'm thinking about sending a letter to the owners of the clinic - that dog should have been collared, leashed, kenneled , something the minute he showed up with it... If he (the dog) had gone ater my daughter - I dont even know what anyone could have done in time...

Correct, it's about bad dog owners in general, not breed specific. It was very negligent of the vet's staff to not see what was happening in the waiting room and correct it immediately, because if the dog had injured you or your child, both the dog's owner AND the vet would be held liable.

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Old 10-04-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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As a business owner I would want to know when one of my employees did something or didn't do something which eventually would come back on me. the office manager has no liability in that situation. The vet who owns the business does and it is not too late to get in touch with him or her and relate exactly what happened and how you feel about it. Getting a new vet without letting him or her know why would not be good.
The vet should have a sign on the front door which reads

"All dogs must be restrained with collar and leash and all cats must be in a secure cat carrier. We insist on these safety precautions for your protection as well as for the safety of your pet, our staff and our clients and their pets."

This is verbatim the sign my vet has on her door.
I agree with you completely. The only time I did not have one of my pets secured, either with a lease or in a carrier was with my elderly cat that was very very ill and I, in panic mode, could not find his carrier so I had him wrapped in his blanket and held him the whole time. He was so tired that he just slept in my arms the whole time. Anyway...the pet should always be on a leash or in a carrier when out in public, especially at the vet's office since that's a high stress situation for some animals, whether it be a tea cup poodle or a great dane. The breed should not matter in this, or any situation.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:04 AM
 
Location: North Western NJ
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we had one of these at the clinic i used to work at and he was a repeat offender, guy with a highly neurotic (and unpredictable) WEIMERINER! hed bitten more people than i can even imagine...fter the 4th time of teling the guy he couldn't bring the dog in uness properly restrained the 5th time we called the olice and had him escorted off the premises.

it has NOTHIGN to do with breed!

ive seen and worked with more nasty gsds, labs, bordercollies and dalmations mod cut...
breed is always irrelevant...would you ave been any more comfortable with an out of sorts cocker spaniel, or a neurotic jack russel?

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Old 10-04-2013, 09:53 AM
 
Location: NY, NY
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The only time Ive ever seen a dog off leash at a vets office is after hours, and we all know why they are there . That is probably the only time I would not say something to an owner with a dog off leash.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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I agree that something in this story sounds a little "off",
had this happened to me I would have put my child and cat in car and then gone back
inside to request a talk with office manager. right there in front of said
mod cutowner.

agreeing that calling is a better way of stating your displeasure.
We were in the waiting area waiting for the cat to be brought back out, we'd finished the exam and at their office - they bring animals to the back area for injections and a quick expression of her anal glands.

Put my child in the car by herself? She's three, we live in SoCal so too warm, and the parking lot is in no way visible from the vets office. She's able to unlock the car doors and could probaly get out of her car seat if motivated enough and wander around the parking lot looking for mommy. I can't think that anyone with a toddler would think this would be a good idea.

And honestly - I didn't know how the dog owner would react to being told to resrain the dog. mod cuthe clearly didn't think that there was a need for a restraint for his 80lb sick and cranky dog. I think it's not unusual for dogs to be sensitive to verbal attacks on their owner ? I really didn't want to do anything to stress the sog further by risking getting into it myself or having the officemanager get into it with the dog owner with my daughter right there....

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Old 10-04-2013, 10:29 AM
 
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Yea the owner should have had his dog on leashmod cut I do off leash training. I can tell when my dogs aren't feeling well, and sometimes I don't want people in my dogs faces. mod cut Have you ever met a very well trained trustworthy bully dog? .. and I'm not defending the man, he was definitely in the wrong.
I get what you are saying. My daughter loves dogs. LOVES them. She has a dog/vet kits and loves to play vet with her stuffed dogs. She loves to pretend to be a dog herself. Seriously, she throws the cats out of their bed and "sleeps" in it. She wants me to throw the plastic bone that came with one of her stuffies so she can "fetch" it. She like to snack on Kixx cereal and pretend it's her "kibble" .

So we have worked alot of "dog safety". Asking the owner, how to approach, how to read the dogs signals, not to move quickly or attemp to take anything away from the dog, etc... So the mintute the dog came in, she said "puppy!" - thankfully, we have taken time to train her about dogs and when I said no, stay by me that was the end of it.

My daughter was in no way in this dogs face, like I said the waiting area is pretty tight and the dog was laying in the middle of the floor, I literally had to sidle around him to throw my cc at th front desk and step back over him with my daughter to leave.

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Old 10-04-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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we had one of these at the clinic i used to work at and he was a repeat offender, guy with a highly neurotic (and unpredictable) WEIMERINER! hed bitten more people than i can even imagine...fter the 4th time of teling the guy he couldn't bring the dog in uness properly restrained the 5th time we called the olice and had him escorted off the premises.

it has NOTHIGN to do with breed!

ive seen and worked with more nasty gsds, labs, bordercollies and dalmations mod cut...
breed is always irrelevant...would you ave been any more comfortable with an out of sorts cocker spaniel, or a neurotic jack russel?
Well, I wouldn't have been happy if it had been any unrestrained breed. I've never let her pet any of the other dogs/puppies we've seen there. The vet also has a groomer in the back. So I feel like any anomals there are either sick or maybe stressed.

I do let her pet dogs we know or ones we meet (properly and with owners approval)

Of course, I wouldn't have been happy with a unrestrained jack russell. But a sick, out of sorts 80lb dog against a 30lb toddler . My daughter wouldn't have stood a chance.

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Old 10-04-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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We were in the waiting area waiting for the cat to be brought back out, we'd finished the exam and at their office - they bring animals to the back area for injections and a quick expression of her anal glands.

Put my child in the car by herself? She's three, we live in SoCal so too warm, and the parking lot is in no way visible from the vets office. She's able to unlock the car doors and could probaly get out of her car seat if motivated enough and wander around the parking lot looking for mommy. I can't think that anyone with a toddler would think this would be a good idea.

And honestly - I didn't know how the dog owner would react to being told to resrain the dog. mod cuthe clearly didn't think that there was a need for a restraint for his 80lb sick and cranky dog. I think it's not unusual for dogs to be sensitive to verbal attacks on their owner ? I really didn't want to do anything to stress the sog further by risking getting into it myself or having the officemanager get into it with the dog owner with my daughter right there....
If something similar ever happens again, consider taking your daughter and waiting outside until they bring the cat out. I don't blame you for not complaining at the time; the guy seemed like he was not quite right. When the clinic staff gave him the leash, that was a hint and a half for him to put it on the dog.

I understand that you put the emphasis and blame on the mod cut owner and not the dog (mod edit)

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