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Old 05-09-2014, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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My vet actually said that at least Purina gives out their REAL nutritional information upon request. He says that if Blue Buffalo is as good as they claim to be, why won't they give out the actual nutritional data that the veterinary community requests of them? They claim it is "proprietary." He has issues with that lack of transparency and so do I. I think that there's a lot more brilliance with their marketing than there is in the formulation of the actual food. Unfortunately, I don't think the cool shiny labels with wolves and lynxes really impress our pets...
If you check on the dog food advisor's site, you will see every product is broken down into understandable language, explaining what is in the product, the amount, and the nutritional value in a particular product.
Still one must take into consideration the dog itself.
Some dogs can tolerate ingredients in certain foods, while others can not.
I am sure BB is an excellent product, but my Shepherd, even though he liked it, had a gastrointestinal problem with it, which is why I had to find a different food for him.

Bob.
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Old 05-09-2014, 03:34 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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I wouldn't fault a company on the ingredients but on the failure to disclose. Dog owners have a right to know what those ingredients are. Once they know, they are in a position to make an informed decision.

E.g. one of my dogs can't have any poultry at all, not in any form, due to an eye condition that will worsen, if the diet includes poultry, causing him to go blind. We are on a prevention program with poultry-free food from Wellness (from the vet's "approved" list of foods), special eye drops, and opthalmic check at the specialist every 6 months. His eyes actually improved once the condition was discovered and a new program started.

Sometimes it doesn't matter, but other times it really IS important to know everything that is in a dog food.
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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My vet actually said that at least Purina gives out their REAL nutritional information upon request. He says that if Blue Buffalo is as good as they claim to be, why won't they give out the actual nutritional data that the veterinary community requests of them? They claim it is "proprietary." He has issues with that lack of transparency and so do I. I think that there's a lot more brilliance with their marketing than there is in the formulation of the actual food. Unfortunately, I don't think the cool shiny labels with wolves and lynxes really impress our pets...
Just curious...does your vet by chance sell Purina foods???
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Old 05-12-2014, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Just curious...does your vet by chance sell Purina foods???
Nope.

He doesn't sell any foods.

It's a small family owned vet's office.

And by the way, it wasn't simply an ingredient list he was referring to. He's talking about the data that they try to obfuscate behind the "guaranteed analysis" numbers on labels. Don't tell me that it's a minimum of 11% protein. Tell me what the actual percentage calories from protein, preferably on a dry matter basis, is in the food. If all they say is "minimum 11%" then it could be 12% to 100%, which is a pretty absurd range of wiggle room for how much of any nutrient type is actually in anything. But that's how pretty much all pet foods are labeled.
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Old 05-13-2014, 04:35 PM
 
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My dog's system didn't agree with Blue Buffalo's Wilderness formula. I've fed her grain-free versions of Wellness Core, Innova Prime, and Nature's Variety without any problems. Although, the pet store I go to did say they stopped selling Innova Prime because of all of the recalls.
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Old 05-13-2014, 04:48 PM
 
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I just got through reading a 2013 thread on another forum. The members there said that Blue Buffalo is one of the few companies that won't give the country of origin of its ingredients. They'll tell you that their food is manufactured in the U.S., but that's it. The speculation is that the food comes from China. If that is true, that would explain why the food gave my dog loose stools. My dog became sick after eating chicken jerky that was made in China.
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I am not an employee of this company, nor do I know any one who is.
I just felt I would like to share some information concerning the food that I recently switched too for my German Shepherd.
He seems to be doing well on it.
This site will give you a look into what the food is, and where it originates from.
I feed him the canned only, so I can't comment on the dry food.

Feed Goodness from the Earth - Whole Earth Farms

Bob.
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:58 PM
 
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I just got through reading a 2013 thread on another forum. The members there said that Blue Buffalo is one of the few companies that won't give the country of origin of its ingredients. They'll tell you that their food is manufactured in the U.S., but that's it. The speculation is that the food comes from China. If that is true, that would explain why the food gave my dog loose stools. My dog became sick after eating chicken jerky that was made in China.
You are aware that the COO for pet food is the last point of processing?

A company in Texas gets its chicken from China; it's pork from India, and its beef from Chernobyl. They process those raw uncut meats at their plant into a meat product called Meat Mix CPB102. Meat Mix CPB102 is sold to several premium brand named pet food manufactures. Because Meat Mix CPB102 was manufactured in Texas (before that it was just raw unprocessed or cut parts) its COO is USA. I don’t think anyone who has taken anytime to independently learn about pet food labeling would be fooled by any manufacture claims of COO. You can have a company that claims they only use USA Chicken in their chicken jerky products yet that chicken can originally be from China.

It matters not if Blue Buffalo does or doesn’t release this information, and it doesn’t matter if a company puts it on the product because you cannot trust that it is accurate as it relates to pet food.
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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What I don't understand at all really is why people feed their dogs commercial dog food at all in the first place????????

Most of us, at least I think that most of us would not feed our children in such a manner. Prepared food out of a bag nearly 100% of the time. I spend far less feeding my dogs a well balanced home made diet than I would have to pay for most of the premium brands of commercial grade feeds. The vet is just blown away at the extreme health and vitality of all of my dogs. Amazing teeth, skin, coat and well just everything really. In my mind these pet food companies are just another extension of "Big agra, pharma and chem". I will do anything I can to not support them and that includes buying their junk they call "Dog food".
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Back in WV we had a country vet. Her specialty was equine, but treated dogs and cats as well. We were pretty good friends.

She told me how the pet food companies were not unlike big pharma. They would provide free equipment and other goodies in exchange for 'selling their wares'.

I can understand that to a certain extent. I know Purina sponsors a lot of clubs, like NAVHDA etc.. However I do wince a bit when a vet pushes one and only one dog food.

It's tough to make the right decision when some vets are pushers and their suppliers aren't required to hold a standard.
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