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Old 07-24-2014, 09:29 PM
 
Location: SC
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These are not breeders.

They are random byb people who decided to breed their pet and have no idea what responsibilities are involved until something goes wrong and they have zero skills or knowledge to cope.

A breeder is responsible, anyone on the street can be a random puppy producer.
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Old 07-24-2014, 09:32 PM
 
Location: SC
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This drives me crazy. In my area, rescues get many of their dogs from auctions which auction off discarded dogs from puppy mills. How does this stop the breeders from keeping on with what they do? I think the rescues just make things worse by getting dogs in this way.
You are right. They are not rescues when they are paying cash to buy dogs from commercial puppy producers; they are a buyer or a broker who buys them and then sells them to a 3rd party for cash to buyers (they call adopters).
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:35 PM
 
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These are not breeders.

They are random byb people who decided to breed their pet and have no idea what responsibilities are involved until something goes wrong and they have zero skills or knowledge to cope.

A breeder is responsible, anyone on the street can be a random puppy producer.
Why are breeders not breeders when they do something wrong? Attemptng to blame the poor practces of breeders as not a ding on breeders because those breeders are not really breeders just backyard breeders even though they are really breeders.

No matter how you slice it, a breeder is a breeder, and as much as many may not want to admit it, yes there are bad ones.
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Old 07-24-2014, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Of course there are bad ones, and there will always be bad ones. It's up to the rest of us to do our homework and figure with whom we are willing to transact with.

If a rescue accepts this dog, then what stops a bad breeder from continuing if they know they have an outlet? It's not a pleasant scenario, but when people stop buying their dogs- they stop breeding them.

There is no easy solution. I wish there was.
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Old 07-25-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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Why are breeders not breeders when they do something wrong? Attemptng to blame the poor practces of breeders as not a ding on breeders because those breeders are not really breeders just backyard breeders even though they are really breeders.

No matter how you slice it, a breeder is a breeder, and as much as many may not want to admit it, yes there are bad ones.
All breeders are not equal. There is a huge difference between people who breed to show dogs, love a breed and are committed to maintaining/improving the breed and those who breed back yard hoping to make a buck or whatever their reason is.

Reputable breeders will take their dogs back if something happens with them not pawn them off on someone else.
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Old 07-25-2014, 12:24 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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The breeder should have to pay.

yeah .... well.....

people who attempt to make a buck off of their dogs' reproductive organs don't care enough about the dog or its offspring to be bothered.....
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Old 07-25-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Our friends are breeders and she has taken a number of her GSP's for various reasons. In fact, our female Dutch was a dog that she had to take back because the owner was in legal trouble and more than likely going to jail.

We got her and I'm glad we did. And I'm glad that I know breeders that care about their 'profession'.
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Old 10-11-2014, 02:43 PM
 
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An update on the puppy, he is still with me and we have the final test scheduled for Monday. We should be able to find out if it is an operable shunt. I have fallen head over heels in love with this little guy and his vet's office isn't far behind. He has such a funny personality packed into 3.5 lbs. of fluff.
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Old 10-12-2014, 03:00 AM
 
Location: Northeastern U.S.
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I bred only one litter, many years ago, and all the pups were healthy. But if one were not, and were so damaged that I felt its quality of life would be poor, then I would have it euthanized myself, and hold the pup in my arms at the vet's office (or have the vet come to my house), as it died - not pass on the responsibility to others. If the pup were sick but could be treated and saved, then I would of course pay for the treatment. If it was an ailment that would have to be treated later, I would inform the prospective buyer and contribute to the pup's later treatment or lower the purchase price (assuming the buyer still wanted the pup).
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