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Old 01-24-2015, 12:44 PM
 
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Hello, I have an 8 year old, 7 lb yorkie who has been diagnosed with a heart issue and started Vetmedin last night. He also started Lasix again yesterday after being taken off of it and put on theopolline (spelling?) but his breathing got bad after a few days so it was back to the Lasix. Even on just the Lasix his breathing wasn't 100% normal, but after giving him the Lasix and Vetmedin last night his breathing is totally normal for the first time in over a month. The issue is he's extremely lathargic today and he's usually quite spunky even when his breathing is off. Should I continue the Vetmedin or stop it til Monday when I can speak to the vet again? I would hAte to stop it and then have him go into heart failure but I'm not sure being this lathargic is a good thing.
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Old 01-24-2015, 01:54 PM
 
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Let me make sure I understand:

First, he took Lasix with breathing NOT 100 percent (but no lethargy).

Then he took Theophylline with his breathing going bad after a couple of days (but no lethargy).

Last night, he started Vetmedin with Lasix and his breathing is normal (but he is lethargic today).

If I were you, I would call an ER vet ASAP. I had a shih tzu who took all of these meds and then some, and there is a fine line between chronic congestive heart failure and acute congestive heart failure.

I do not at all want to scare you, but I don't think anyone on this board will be able to tell you accurately why he is lethargic with the addition of Vetmedin and whether it is something to be scared about or not. What I can say definitely is that if he has crossed that line from chronic to acute failure, immediate action is key.

I wish you the very best of luck and am sorry that he is experiencing this!
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:35 PM
 
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I will tell you a little story, hope it helps. I have a little part Chihuahua that weights 13 pounds. At least 12 years old, probably a bit older. She has had a heart murmur for 10 years that I know of, probably all her life. Over 2 years ago she was beginning to show symptoms of what the vet told me was congestive heart failure. It got really bad about two weeks ago and I finally was able to take her to a vet who gave her Lasix and vetmedin. He warned me that there was a chance the medication would be such a shock to her system that it might kill her. She was going to die anyway, so no big choice to me. I gave her the meds as soon as we got home. She sort of collapsed. She was week and wobbly for three days. She would drink water and go outside, but, she had no interest in food. Around the 4th day I decided to sort of bribe her to eat with morsels that I know she likes. She prefers people food. Rapid improvement after that, to where her symptoms are very minimal, back to where she was almost 3 years ago. So, hang in there, give your dog the meds and give it all time to work. I bet she will get a lot better. Don't worry about the lethargy that much. Your dog has probably become very exhausted from just trying to breath and she/he needs to rest up from that.
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Old 01-24-2015, 09:23 PM
 
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Bar dog you summed it up perfectly, thanks for that. I called my vet and while she wasn't in one of the technicians was and called the vet for me and called me back and she said she wasn't worried to continue the meds and bring him in Monday.

chronic65 thanks so much for sharing that, I figured his body may need some time to adjust to the medication. He's just acting really sleepy but still greeting me and giving me kisses when I get home. Also, his breathing has been so bad for over a month and right after he took the Vetmedin his breathing instantly went to normal, I haven't seen him sleep this peacefully in a long time or seem this comfortable. He happily chewed a bone earlier and had a tiny bit of scrambled egg. I will boil him some chicken tomorrow and see if he will take that.

Having a pet experience health problems is so stressful, thank goodness for places like this.
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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Oh, thank goodness! I thought about you two all night!!! I hope he continues to do well!
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Old 01-25-2015, 04:35 PM
 
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Oh, thank goodness! I thought about you two all night!!! I hope he continues to do well!
that really means a lot, you have no idea! I have done absolutely nothing today but research other people's experiences with Vetmedin and research dogs with CHF. I am calling my vet first thing the morning to go speak to her some more, have her look Oliver over and see if I could speak to the cardiologist that examined him as well. I think I will just make my vet come live with me.
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Old 01-25-2015, 05:57 PM
 
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Please come back and let us know if you have other questions. There are several of us on the board who have (or had, in my case) dogs with this condition, and we've discussed it extensively. We may be able to help you in one way or another... at the very least, we can empathize.

P.S. Oliver is one of my favorite dog names!
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Old 01-26-2015, 07:05 AM
 
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In the middle of the night he began to throw up a lot and is still throwing up this morning. At first it was his dinner he accepted last night and now it is just liquid.

I am taking him to the vet at 9:30... just so scared.
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Old 01-26-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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Thinking about you, and hoping everything is okay...
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Old 01-26-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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My dog did not have a good reaction to Vetmedin but my vet (who was a specialist cardiologist) refused to listen to my concerns. Please follow your instincts. If the medication looks like it is making your dog sicker than it probably is. You could reduce the dose with the understanding that congestive heart failure is only manageable not curable. My heart goes out to you and your little dog. I sincerely wish you both the very best. Good luck!
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