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Originally Posted by OttoR
An American Bully is clearly NOT “a different breed”.
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Are you saying if it's registered as an APBT then it's an APBT? That's an app to transfer to the proper breed. If I registered a litter of Golden/Lab puppies as Pits does that make them Pits?
That's just not how it works, paperwork doesn't change a dogs actual breed. I shouldn't have to have those walking train wrecks associated with my dogs, just because people registered them as the same breed. It's deplorable practice to falsify pedigree on a pure bred dog, let alone a mutt.
Dave and Tony both admitted to registering mixed breeds. Openly admitted this. Dave registered Pit mixes and other mixes (which didn't have any Pit Bull) as APBT and American Staffordshire Terrier. It is pretty dishonest and it's kind of sad people couldn't just you know make it a new breed project. These were not the only two people by any means either. Some Am Bully are from generations of breeding (from a mixed foundation) but others still have more recent crossing. A couple kennels were banned from UKC for being turned in for these practices prior to UKC recognizing Am Bully and trying to fix stud book issues.
While they are a recognized breed there are different classes and people breeding for those different types, foundations and more recent crosses vary. A lot of the pocket, the micros and many exotics are mostly English Bulldog or include French Bulldog with very little AmStaff blood. With the lines it isn't cut and dry, since most have same foundation it is just breeders adding this or that with more and more other breeds. Like some XL have more mastiff and American Bulldog added. APBT/AST is back there but percentage isn't high, usually it was heavier boned AmStaffs that were chosen but they couldn't get what they wanted physically by breeding pure bred AmStaff. Breeds like English Bulldog, French Bulldog, American Bulldog, Presa Canario, Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog, Cane Corso and Neo, Bullmastiff, English Mastiff, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Dogue De Bordeaux and whatever else they thought would give them the extreme looks they sought. According to BSL that uses breed standard they don't even fall under Pit Bull type and by lineage they are not, but some breeds / mixes can fall under Pit Bull type dye to physical traits.
A dog that struggles to breath in the heat and is at high risk of heat stroke sure isn't a Pit lol. Now all dogs within a breed won't represent the breed mind you, but you know when you mix a bunch of breeds together those dogs won't add up, because they are a different breed or a mixed breed. The APBT is often drivey, tenacious, dog aggressive, high prey drive, moderate energy level, does well in hot / humid conditions- other breeds can have these traits too, but most bullies don't but again they are all over the place as far as breeding. There are a few responsible Am Bully breeders, but like 99% are breeding for extreme type, color and money. I don't support dog fighting but nothing pit about those dogs, can't even handle normal activity. (I have issues with brachy dogs and deformed dogs)
It is rather disappointing that AKC, UKC, ADBA failed so badly. I know they can't police every breeding and people can get away with things, but it shouldn't have got this out of hand. The ADBA tried putting blame on UKC saying they didn't know about problems in UKC stud book and while I understand some dogs were single registered over it was brought up years before ADBA finally did anything. All around bad situation. A responsibility of registries is to protect the integrity of pure bred dogs.
But hey if you consider a dog that's like 10-15% AST is an APBT you don't understand pure bred dogs but
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