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Old 09-02-2017, 08:36 PM
 
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Well I don't eat chicken meal and stuff.

Of, I will give you the answer to my question. What is in dog food? 'People food'. And chemicals. There is nothing good to happen to say chicken, when processed into dog food, that makes it better for dogs that chicken you cook (or don't) yourself.

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Because it's important. There is no such thing as 'people food'. There is food that is good for a dog or cat or isn't.
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Old 09-02-2017, 08:46 PM
 
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Whole grains are great stuff! Lots of protein and other good things. Nothing wrong with peas and potatoes, but there's also nothing inherently wrong with whole grains like corn, wheat, and rice. At all.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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Whole grains are great stuff! Lots of protein and other good things. Nothing wrong with peas and potatoes, but there's also nothing inherently wrong with whole grains like corn, wheat, and rice. At all.
Nope. I do not like a corn-based food because I want the protein to come from meat, but nothing wrong with it at all for a dog that isn't allergic.

My dog was allergic to wheat right at that time is when more options for food lacking 'wheat, corn, and soy' were out. (But before the 'grain-free' fad). So corn went with the wheat but I didn't need to purposefully avoid it.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:35 PM
 
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Of, I will give you the answer to my question. What is in dog food? 'People food'. And chemicals. There is nothing good to happen to say chicken, when processed into dog food, that makes it better for dogs that chicken you cook (or don't) yourself.



Because it's important. There is no such thing as 'people food'. There is food that is good for a dog or cat or isn't.

When they turn the protein into "meal" it is more nutrient packed then the plain meat.

I STILL would not eat it as food. There are differences between animal food and people food.

So this has turned into a debate on semantics, which is not helpful at all.

Thanks to those who answered sans attitude.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:39 PM
 
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Nope. I do not like a corn-based food because I want the protein to come from meat, but nothing wrong with it at all for a dog that isn't allergic.

My dog was allergic to wheat right at that time is when more options for food lacking 'wheat, corn, and soy' were out. (But before the 'grain-free' fad). So corn went with the wheat but I didn't need to purposefully avoid it.
Yeah, it seems like we went straight from grain-based food, to super high protein, no grain food. Makes me wonder about the diabetes you hear about in dogs these days. I am thinking that too much protein is not a good thing for dogs either.

I recently researched what a proper balance would be for home-made food for my dog and found this really great brochure on the subject, based on research by the National Academies in Washington DC:

http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static..._final_fix.pdf
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:09 PM
 
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When they turn the protein into "meal" it is more nutrient packed then the plain meat.

I STILL would not eat it as food. There are differences between animal food and people food.

So this has turned into a debate on semantics, which is not helpful at all.

Thanks to those who answered sans attitude.
I don't have an attitude, I am being educational, speaking directly to the question you asked.

Also, I didn't say there is no such thing as dog food. You are turning it backwards.

I said there is no such thing as people food. That's important to know. Commercial dog food doesn't have any qualities that make chicken or eggs or wheat or potatoes (all people food) any better for dogs except it being balanced nutritionally.

In reality a whole possum or rabbit is 'dog food'. Whole, fresh, and raw. That's dog food. Also since they are scavengers, basically anything non-toxic is part of a dogs diet.
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:42 PM
 
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I don't have an attitude, I am being educational, speaking directly to the question you asked.

Also, I didn't say there is no such thing as dog food. You are turning it backwards.

I said there is no such thing as people food. That's important to know. Commercial dog food doesn't have any qualities that make chicken or eggs or wheat or potatoes (all people food) any better for dogs except it being balanced nutritionally.

In reality a whole possum or rabbit is 'dog food'. Whole, fresh, and raw. That's dog food. Also since they are scavengers, basically anything non-toxic is part of a dogs diet.

Okay, so people food is the same as dog food, except when it's poison, and dog food is the same as people food except we wouldn't eat it.

I'm done here.
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:05 PM
 
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Okay, so people food is the same as dog food, except when it's poison, and dog food is the same as people food except we wouldn't eat it.

I'm done here.
? No, that isn't what I said. I said there is no such thing as people food. As in, food that is only meant for human consumption. I didn't say there is no such thing as dog food. IDK why you keep trying to twist my words.

Many people exclusively feed freshly made food from the 'people food' aisles.
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:17 PM
 
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Pretty ironic that the people food (grapes) isn't really dog food, despite the fact that is indeed, all food.
Grapes are not 'people food'. Lots of creatures eat them. All that stuff that grows on trees and from the ground and from animals is for all kinds of animals to eat, it wasn't just created for humans.

The point is food is food. Some is good for us, some is not. Some is good for dogs, some is not. And for cats, and rats, and Bears! (although I think they can eat whatever they want )
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:43 PM
 
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Get a roast. PUt it in the oven at a low heat, like 250 degrees for several hours. The end result is very dry meat - from there you can cut it up into little tiny pieces for training treats. Google for the specific instructions - I can't remember them all.

But it's the perfect treat - meat, nothing added. And pretty cheap.
Fab idea. I have bought really expensive dog treats that were just dehydrated meat. Which is good, but very expensive.
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