Nasal cancer (train, seizures, free, prognosis)

[hipstix]

Hello,

Talk about a Holiday gift. On Dec. 31'st (yesterday). My vet called me and told me that from the (large) sample my dog sneezed out of his nose, it is nasal cancer. There are formal words for the particular type of sarcoma, but to keep it simple nasal cancer. By the way I live in San Diego, I am new to this site, and I will probably be on here often. Why not start on Jan 1? How fitting to start the New Year with a fatal disease for a pet who has been your best friend for 17 years (sorry for the sarcasm).

My dog Sunny is going on 17 years old. He is a German Shorthair Pointer (I will post pics and details soon). Now when most people read 17 or think even 14, they say "oh he has had such a long good life" (you know what type of people say that. The type that are not bonded to your dog like you are). Like most on this site who have this type of diagnosis, their dogs are relatively ok, sprye and energetic. They just have a little blood out of one nostril. My dog at 17 is no different. Sunny Boy can walk the walk. He is tough. He was swimming in the river with me in September and in the Ocean in October. We walk several blocks on hilly streets even to this day. He demands walks. He has been in particularly good health over the years. But this does not escape the fact that he has a inoperable (realistically) non-curable disease. Before you say "wait a minute there is radiation or neoplasta(whatever you guys are talking about on here)". Please read everything below this paragraph, because I am going to give you the long story in a sec. If anyone loves their dog as much as I do and cares about their health and your mental well being please read on.

First of all fortunately I have a great general vet. I mean my vet has been at it 30 plus years and I have been taking my dog to him ever since I needed a vet when I moved to SD (about 4 years ago). Actually before 12 or 13 years of age Sunny has costed me more at the pound than at the vet. He has been in that good of shape. However, Sunny has had 2 major incidences before this. The first was a ruptured disc in his neck 3 years ago and the second tissue sarcoma on his shoulder (cancer). My vet saved me about $6,000 by talking me into resting my dog when he had the ruptured disc. He told me don't pay attention to the brochure he handed me that said "If you don't do this surgery (fenestration of the vertebrae) your dog will never walk again". Every-time he moved, he yipped he was in so much pain. I was so convinced of getting the surgery, I was clearing out a credit card to get prepared. I wanted my dog to be pain free or less. After 6 weeks of rest, my dog walked like nothing ever happened. And ever since than no relapses of neck problems Now to the Cancer:

Back in August when I was at the beach, I noticed a lump on my dog's shoulder. I thought "oh he must of hurt it jumping out of the van or something". But after a week or so, the lump did not go away. So I went to my good ole vet. He had a bad hunch when he felt it. Sunny has fatty tumor's and has had a couple of benign ones removed in the past. But this one felt different. And ole Hans (my vet) knew this one was probably not good. But he did the due diligence and aspirated it. Had to do it again, because the sample was no good. Well we had spindle cells. He told me probably a soft tissue sarcoma and that it would get bigger over months and eventually be painfull to the point of having to do the dignified thing for Sunny and me. He recommended 3 paths. One see a specialist, get a consultation for radiation and/or cat scan. Two operate on it to see what exactly it is. Three, do nothing suck it up and let your dog go when he can't take the pain. It turns out before it is all over I did the first two things. Fortunately in SD county there are two specialists who have radiation machines. One in Solano Beach the other in Carlsbad. Here's how that went down:

I went to the first cancer specialists in Solano Beach. He looked at my dog and his x-rays and listened to his lungs. Because my dog has some muccas in his lungs over the years, he determined that my dog had heavy breathing, and not clear x-rays, this led him to believe he may have lung cancer. This led him to believe that it was probably not a tissue sarcoma , but rather osteosarcoma (bone cancer). In all fairness to Burke, he did not have a clear shot of the x-rays, and did not know my dog had "noisy lungs" You see bone cancer is not good at all. It is probably worse than nasal cancer. Bone cancer is extremely painfull and can mestatisize quickly usually to the lungs. The specialist started to connect the dots: noisy lungs, thickening in the walls of the lungs, tumor located in the exact spot alot of bone cancers are found. It's all over for a dog if it has bone cancer. And this specialist told me that he would have rather him had a tissue sarcoma (what my general vet thought). Tissue sarcoma can be treated with radiation much like nasal cancer, except in this case the risk is less because of it not hitting the head. Anyhow so I left that place with my head very low to the ground. I thought I was getting a consultation on my choices for radiation, chemo or some treatment. Instead I was left with the choice of a cat scan, which could not definitively determine bone cancer(no chance of survival) or tissue cancer (extend the life and comfort of the pet and may kick it into remission). This cancer specialist had a pretty good hunch Sunny had bone cancer. But he was pushing me into the Cat scan; which is practical but not definitive. And he told me it was not definitive. It's practical in this case and in nasal cancer to get a cat scan. Because if your going to treat it with radiation, you gotta know where your aiming. And a cat scan does that. But I needed to know if it was tissue cancer or bone cancer because there is no sense in radiation therapy if he had bone cancer. There is only way to determine bone cancer or tissue cancer period, do a biopsy on the tumor from my general vet.

By the way one of the treatments that floated around if it turned out to be tissue cancer was to hack off the right front leg all the way to his shoulder blade. That was out of the question for me. He is approaching 17 at that time, and now knowing he has nasal cancer I am glad I did not do that.

Take a breath for a minute Let that soak in. One thought after that first trip to the first specialists: If Sunny had bone cancer, he would be dead by now.

Here is the fork in the road with vets, specialists, tissue cancer, nasal caner and this whole story.

I go back to my general vet the next day after seeing the first specialist. He looks me in the eyes and says your dog does not have lung cancer and I doubt he has bone cancer. That's a pretty bold assumption coming from a general vet with no new x-ray (yet), cat scan or biopsy and after I consulted with a specialists. Guess what he was right and the cancer specialists had assumed wrong. The vet took a clear shot x-ray (later on I got a cat scan, I will explain that later), and we scheduled an appointment to do the biopsy to determine bone cancer or tissue cancer. This was back in late September. I took him in got a pre-surgery thing going, he was admitted. Than I get a call from my vet in the early afternoon that blood starting coming from his nose, just before he put him under. I wasn't too stressed about it, because my dogs nose has bled a few times over the past 16 years. But he was frightened on the phone and refused to do the surgery until he had a coagulation test. I was a little pissed at first, because I figured he stayed in the cage half of the day and got himself worked up into a nose bleed, when I could have dropped him off in the afternoon. Now its gonna take X amount of time longer to determine "bone cancer or tissue cancer", because my vet wants to make sure my dog doesn't bleed out on the table when he does the biopsy. He made the right call. I would have been devastated if my dog died on the operating table. He also mentioned nasal cancer, but kind of dismissed it when I told him he has a history of nose bleeds over the years. Anyhow coagulation test was fine, we did the surgery and TAH DAH it was Tissue cancer. At the end of the day this cancer was treatable to the extent I could buy him 8 months to a couple of years by knocking this thing down with radiation. If he had bone cancer, he would be gone by now.

So I go to Carlsbad to see a different specialist. The first one made me uneasy when he left me with the impression that my dog had the worst case scenario. And if anyone does not have a cancer specialist, California Veterinary Specialists is the place to go even if you live far away. They took the Cat scan and could now determine exactly what the tumor looked like and where it could be hit with radiation. I said lets do it. I put this much work into it, lets get it done. He had 5 treatments. No side effects no problems. It was a smooth treatment

6 weeks go by tumor is shrinking substantially, he is walking without a limp and everything is good. Than his nose bleeds again. It had not bled since that one episode at the general vet before we did the biopsy. Not one time. It bled for about a day. By the time I went back to my general vet it had stopped. . It was the first time I saw him after he did the biopsy and the radiation was done. He was impressed at the radiation results of how it shrunk the tumor so much. He was concerned about the bleeding, but suggested to try to lower his blood pressure first.He gave me some ACE to get his blood pressure to lower his blood pressure, in hopes that would fix the bleeding. Two weeks go by again his nose bleeds. Stops after a couple of days. Three weeks later and here we are. This past Monday 12-29 he shot out a huge piece of something out of his nose on to my bed. I had been gone for a few hours in the morning. But when I found it, it was fresh and big. I scooped it up but it on a clean baggie and took it to the vet to see if it could be examined. Dog never set foot inside the vet. My friend who works there talked to another vet on duty, and he said lets check it out. I did a stat test and my regular vet called me New Years Eve to let me know the results. One, he had to ask me where this came from. I told him the nose. I actually did not see it, but he was bleeding a little in the morning and when I came home it was laying on my bed. He was taken by this. That a large chunk of matter like this was left in tack and came out of his nose. It was a good thing my dog did not eat it. Ladies and Gentlemen Sunny sneezed out the smoking gun. That tissue was examined by a confident pathologist's reporting that in fact what he sneezed out was a piece of the tumor. It is nose cancer. My sweet Sunny boy produced the facts, without a biopsy, another cat scan or anything. It was a perfect sample.

Now I am left kicked down the road of what to do next. He already has a reduced lump of tissue cancer, that seems to be getting smaller and smaller, because of radiation. Now nasal cancer. The bleeding has been very little since he sneezed the sample. I did notice that he makes funny noise when he is eating. That kind of went away a couple of days ago. But I am looking over at him right now. He is sleeping on his side and a small drab of blood and snot is hanging from his nose. I don't know what to do, or what I can do. I mean if anyone understands specialists and radiation its me. Something tells me to let him go when it gets bad. Its not going to be a walk in the park like last time. If I get it treated this cancer treatment is going to be much more taxing on us both. The shoulder doesn't bleed, it is not sensitive and there were no side effects to treatment. I am in a bad spot.

For anyone that read this, I hope it was interesting and informative from different perspectives. For me, it was probably the best psychological therapy in the last couple of days. I wrote this long because I want you to know what I went through the first time. The trouble I went through finding out what the hell was on that shoulder, when all along something else was lurking around. And now this time my dog handed me the evidence. I have to admit I do feel kind of fortunate having an awesome general vet. At this point I have my dog and he doesn't act like anything is wrong. He will be waking me up in the morning to go on a walk to the park.

[Bears Dad]

Hi..Hipstix

Since I found Bear has Nasal Cancer which has very negative prognosis inspite of all possible treatments,
I cried and cried... many times..when I was alone, of course...
I nerver cried this much before.
Even when my father died of stomach cancer in 1979, I just cried once after burial.

If people would ask why I cry so much, I can answer with many reason but I'd rather not say anything.
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Bear reminded me the truth that how manifest the Existing Universe's shortness from the Perfect is and how can we be closer to the Perfect.

I would dare to say that if there is a tester for the Pureness of Love,
the love we share with our 4-legged son or daughter and friend shall be resulted 100 % of purity.

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Well, Bear slept last night pretty well and have great breakfast cooked with beef and vegetables in beef broth 1 hour after the Budwig Diet (1.5 TBS of Flax Oil and 3 TBS of Cottage Cheese Mix) with his never decreased appetite.
My daughter once said that if there is competition for fast eating, he would be the champion.

I gave him Anti-Biotic since last Wed. and the nasal discharge was reduced noticeably that helped for comfortability of Bear.
I will finish 7-days of course as Jan(Dashdog's mom) suggested.

It is apparent that good-sleep at night is very important for the condition of Bear during all next day so I will study more and try to find the main reason of the heavy panting in the night.
So far, reduced nasal discharge and 1 Rimadyl with some light food(2 tablet of 100mg per day) before bed time seems very helpful.
Also when he woke up and started panting I brought him to the back yard
for some fresh air.
Last night I noticed that just before waking up, Bear seemed like having some bad dream possibly due to either the pain or difficulty of breathing that means panic.
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I just got the Poly MVA shipment and I shall study and figure out how to apply.

Jan.. Do you think it is O.K. to give Poly MVA with current diet?

Jan.. I also need some good advice for preparing the progress of the pains.
While I am doing my best with prayer for the better I shall be well prepared for the worse.
My bottom line is that I would not let the pain overwhelm Bear.


"生(Birth)老(getting old)病(getting sick)死(die)"
All living creature have the same course of Birth, getting old, getting sick and die" in this 'less than perfect world'.

I will live with love for today with Bear.

I hope you guys make another precious day today.

Chol.

By the way,

Bear is 12 years old German Sheperd and Australian Sheperd Mix used to be 110 Lbs now 85 Lbs.
His face, body shape, long curly hair, born without tail are of Australian Sheperd, but the color is exactly the German Sheperd's.
I would say Bear is the best mix of the two breed.

[hipstix]

Bears Dad,

I am torn with treatment with this disease. I went to a pet cemetery today. I was just curious about burial or cremation services. The office was closed, but the cemetery was open. So I took a look at some gravestones. Some peoples dogs died in the 1950's. Some lived to be 17 (that was the oldest I saw), some were 10, 8 , 12 alot of 15's. My point in this is two things: 1) Peoples dogs who died in the 70's and 80's still had fresh flowers placed at their tombstone. So after 20 years people are still visiting the graves of their pets. That is true love. 2) The range of living time was a testament that they don't live forever and it is much shorter than human beings. I didn't see any dog living 22 or 23 years. It just doesn't happen. You don't see gravestones at human cemeteries, where people were born in 1860 and died in 2000. We all have a "life span". Poor doggies cannot escape it no matter what. My vet always told me when Sunny Boy was healthy "something is going to get him, for that matter something is get all of us". We are guests here on this earth. It sucks, because I love my dog just as much as everyone else here. Like you, when my grandma died I cried for a day or two. When my dog goes, I will probably be in tears for years. I have had him the best years of my life (22-39). I can't replace him, and I don't want to let go. He's my baby.

I would really like to have him another summer. I just don't want to be selfish about it. I want to do what is right for him and me.

Thanks for reading my reply-- Anyone that needs to talk about cancer or grieve online, feel free to write to me or the board.

Hipstix.

[Dashdog]

Hipstix,

Sunny sounds like a great dog.Is Sunny realted to like the energizer bunny? I think you know your dog and will do what you feel is best for him. I think we all choose to do what we feel is best for our individual dogs.

I have to ask you do German Short haired Pointers tend to have such long lives? I ask as there is one in our agility club that is at least 15 now and I know last year he was still playing flyball and would come to agility practice and run the course still with good speed and grace. He is one of the funniest dogs in the club as he would run the course and mid way through some smell would capture his nose and he would leave to go check it out more then return as if he had not taken a detour. His owner is a very good handler that now runs three amazing border collies. While BC's are one of my favorite breeds I do think the GSP was much more entertaining doing agility. He is really a great dog and it sounds Sunny is too. Says something for the breed.


When I found out Dash has nasal cancer it was like being hit with a sledge hammer as I know it is not curable but I also know that with many cancers you can buy time and it does not have to have quality of life as the cost.

As for radiation that is your call but as I have said the palliative IMRT only improved Dash's quality of life and was only 5 days. He did not get nose bleeds from it and so to me the only difficult part was having to make the 30-45 minute drive 5 days in evening rush hour traffic.

My advice is it is your call and you do what your heart tells you is the right thing for Sunny.That is all any of us can really do. And yes coming to a place like this and writing it all down and venting to all of us who do understand is the best therapy for you and yes it helps you see things in a clearer state of mind.

It is funny how sometimes ( maybe all the time but sometimes we just are not in tune to things?) that we get handed the obvious like Sunny sneezing out a piece of the tumor for you to find, or my other dog Jazz annoying me non stop until I pushed her away by placing my hand right on the tumor she had thus finding it ( nerve sheath sacroma). Or even when I made the decision to put my previous dog down and then started to waffle about the decison and was about to call the vet and say not today give me a few more days and she then decided to make the decision for me and went into flash pulmonary edema ( which is very sudden in onset) and I almost did not make it to the vets. The reason I had decided to put her down was the fact she had decided she could not eat and gave me a look that said it is time she was not in nor had she ever been in pulmonary edema. She was 14 had a bad heart and lymphoma. On the way to the vets she was in the front seat and just before she passed out she placed her paw on my leg as if to say " Hey it is OK, it is time " She taught me to not second guess my decisions as my heart knows the correct ones to make. Just as I know everyone here knows the correct decision for their dog. It is learning to listen to the voice that comes from within each of us and trusting it as being correct that is difficult. Jan

[Dashdog]

Chol,

I have to say Bear is a great combo of breeds. He is a dog I would have fallen in love with right away! Dr. Olgilvie who is a vet that is world known for nutrition and cancer and is in the San Diego Ca area recommends that you give Co-Q10 the same time you give Poly MVA and I think the Poly MVA people now advise that as well.

Dash is no longer on the Poly MVA as it is too much of an antioxidant and would interfere with his neoplasene. I would stir it into his food and being the chow hound he is he gulped it down. I have to quote you here "My daughter once said that if there is competition for fast eating, he would be the champion." Dash says bring Bear on as he thinks he can win the eating competition! Dash inhales food the bowl touches the ground and the food is gone!

"?(Birth)?(getting old)?(getting sick)?(die)"
All living creature have the same course of Birth, getting old, getting sick and die" in this 'less than perfect world'. " Yes this is all true for every living thing when you stop to think maybe the sad part is that we humans tend to fear death so much instead of seeing it as we see birth. It is a part of every life and yet instead of celebrate it we fear it and we try to hide from it and most important many of us will not talk about it. I have found over my 27 yrs working in the hospital that most dieing people really want to talk about it but are so afraid to as it just upsets everyone that will be left behind. I work 12 hr night shifts and there is something about the dark quiteness of the nights and being alone with these people that often they will open up and talk about death and most are quite accepting though some are very fearful. I find it interesting how people that tell me they believe in heaven and the afterlife and have grown up in very religious home tend to be so afraid of dieng. Isn't that suppose to be what our soul's journey here on earth having a human experience is all about?


I did not grow up religious. But I believe in God and I believe that God is within each and every one of us and that small voice we hear that tells us what the correct thing to do is God. I believe we are all spiritual beings having a human experience and that our goal is to find that piece of God that is within our selves and become one with it. The others including the dogs in our lives are here to help us find our way. The short life of our dogs is to teach us to live for today and appreciate everyday, every moment like our dogs do and to teach us about love,friendship trust and many other things.
God is the spirit that lives within all living things and perhaps dogs were once human so have spirits that know the truth about life? So they are guides for us? Spirits do not die.

Yes it is so very heart breaking that dogs were not granted the same life span as we were but rather then focus on the saddness involved I choose to view the postive as if my first dog had lived as long as I did I would never have known all the wonderful dogs I have known. No they do not replace one another as each is so very special in its own way but that is just it each has been special and will be forever buried in my heart.My life would be so much sadder if I had NOT known each dog that I have loved.

I will cry big time when Jazz and Dash do die but I know there will be other dogs that will enter my life and I will move on with their help. When I am dieing and someone says which dog was your favorite? I hope that I will answer like my mom did and say they all were my favorite but for different reasons. Yes I had asked my mom that before she died of cancer. We joked about how when my mom got to heaven that she would be mobbed by all the animals she had had in her 82 yrs on earth!

An 88 yr old patient I had last night told me she is not afraid of dieing but she does worry abit as she outlived 3 husbands and was the only wife each had. She says she wonders what happens when she gets to heaven and has 3 husbands waiting for her then she laughed and said I hope they all get along with each other!

Having told you all this I will end by saying I think where we fail ourselves is by asking "why me" instead of " why not me?" Why did my dog get cancer? well why someone elses and not yours? It may seem like we have the bad things like cancer and death of our dog but sooner then later every dog owner will face the death issue in one way or another unless of course the dog out lives them! Hey I know that despite my dogs having cancer they could still outlive me as I do not know what tomorrow or even the next minute will bring or if I will be alive to enjoy it as life can and does change in the blink of an eye.
No one can hide from death so maybe it is best to enjoy each moment as the gift it really is and when it comes to our dogs take the time to make sure you enjoy each precious moment you have left with them.

[hipstix]

Jan,

First of all I want to introduce myself as Joey. Hipstix has been Sunny's nick name forever. When he sits on all fours with his hips sticking out we called him Hipstix. Dr. Ogilvie runs the practice where I went to in Carlsbad. He runs a couple of offices, and the one in Carlsbad is world class. For everyone's info Ogilvie does not do radiation therapy. He is more the Chemo guy. But I have met him, and I know he keeps an eye on everything there. This office cares about their patients and their patients owners. They did the first treatments on Sunny's shoulder, and it worked wonderfully. I mean the results far exceeded my expectations. With the nasal cancer..... I don't know. I am probably gonna cave and go in there and see what he has to say. They will probably need to do a Cat. Im just a little apprehensive. This dog is tough. I could see him doing 5 treatments, he did those back in October. But I don't know about 19 treatments. I will have to do a little soul searching this weekend.

As far as Sunny's age goes.... I have to tell you I had no idea what I was getting in to when I got this dog. Some lady walking down the main boulevard of my business had this half grown dog with no name. He was wagging his tale and panting (hot outside). I'll never forget it. My girlfriend at the time just fell in love with him the minute she saw him. I wasn't looking for a dog nor did I plan on having this one for so long. It just turned out that way, pure luck. My good friend is a German Short Hair rescuer. She told me she knew of one recently that made it to almost 20. It died a few days before 20, it was a female. It is not uncommon for them to go 14-18. Their mannerisms are great and they demand alot of exercise. Don't own one unless you plan on going on 2 long walks a day, everyday.

I hope Dash is doing OK. Its been almost 9 months now since Dash was diagnosed. You sound like a wonderful dog owner, who cares deeply about what is in the best interest of your dog. Radiation 5 times is not that bad. I put my 17 year old dog through it. I am sure I will be seeking your advice soon, if it is available. I am pulling for everyone on this site, who's dogs are having this problem.

Kind Regards,

Joey and Sunny.

[tallmomma]

i cannot add to the thoughtful comments jan and joey have made above only to say i appreciate hearing them. i will add for joey that if you are considering palliative radiation as sunny's symptoms increase, i do believe that there is a place in san diego that does IMRT, the less invasive/more targeted radiation. there was a moment when our guy in oxnard was in danger of losing his IMRT facility and did mention to me the san diego option. i can try to track that down for you if you are unable to find it on your own. i highly recommend the IMRT over traditional radiation. there are almost no side effects (possible dry eye,treated with drops) and has been very helpful for both dash and tillie.

[Dashdog]

Joey,

Thanks for telling us more about Sunny. It sounds like he came into your life at a time you did not even know you needed a dog but it sounds like it was the right time.

As for Dr. Ogilvie. I had read some articles written by him and one was about Poly MVA which I was interested in using so took the info I had on Poly MVA including his article and the articles I had on neoplasene to my vet. I love my vet and trust him and am so glad for the day I found him. This was before we saw the oncologist but had the biopsy results on Dash. My vet took the articles said he would look at them and get back to me. He was curious about both so did some checking around but could find no one using the neoplasene and so he did not feel comfortable taking that on.As for the Poly MVA,when he read Dr. Olgivie's article about it he told me that was all he needed and he supported my using it. Turns out Dr. Olgilvie was one of his instructors when he was in vet school and my vet feels he is one of the most intelligent and caring people he has ever met! I was wondering if the place you like was the place he was at so am happy to hear that is so.


Tallmomma's dog Tillie has had both traditional radiation which I think was the full 20 days then more recently the 5 day palliative done with IMRT so she has been through it all and knows about both. You will find that most here are very willing to share what they have learned so if you have any questions ask as they will get answered.

I did not have to work last night so took the dogs to the park to say hello to everyone in agility as we have not been in months. I was not planning on running either dog but they pleaded so much that I let them each have a run but did keep it short as I did not want Jazz having sore hips and Dash sounded so congested that I was not sure. Both flew over the obstacles I let them do and Dash had the crowd clapping for him so after his last hurdle he strutted around visiting people like " Hey I still got it" That he does! He isn't going to let cancer stop him Both dogs went home quite pleased with themselves which made me so happy we went. Jan

[eginalsk]

Just to add to the information others are posting: My 8-year-old Golden (Scout) had traditional definitive radiation for his nasal adenocarcinoma. He is an incredibly strong dog physically (hikes or skis an average of 50 miles per day and runs agility) and mentally (trusts all people), and the radiation was very difficult on him. He responded quite easily to the radiation itself, not showing symptoms until the end and willingly walking into the hospital until the end of treatment, but the recovery was truly awful. I still can't look at pictures I took from this time (not sure why I took them)--the skin sores were terrible. His eye was very painful and hard to treat. Finally, and most painful, was how depressed?lethargic? he was. I had to literally drag him off the couch to get him out. After three weeks post-radiation, when the vet said he should have no remaining side effects, I finally dragged him on a walk and he pepped up. And, remember that this is an 8-year-old performance dog. While three weeks wasn't really long, it felt like an eternity. I'm pretty sure I would do what I did again for Scout, but people should know how very tough radiation is on a dog (and the people who love him). I'd be happy to provide more information, and I'm not trying to dissaude anyone from radiation because it most probably has given my boy many more healthy months. While my oncologist told me what it would be like, I didn't really know until I had gone through it.

[Bears Dad]

I pray for you Guys cause there is nothing I can do for you except that.
I admire you Guys because you never complain and be angry even in your big sufferings.
Human beings shall learn the Patience from you.

For Bear, all I do is giving him the maximum possible Good Food for his fighting against cancer cell with

* 2 Times of Budwig Diet( Total of 3-4TBS of Flaxseed Oil & 7-8 TBS of
Cottage Cheese: It's been 10 days)

* 1 TBS of Poly-MVA( Just started)

I learned about Good Food against Cancer Cell and Budwig-Diet from
www.CanineCancer.com at Diet & Nutrition page.

I provide him much of Meat (beef and chichen without fat) and
Various Vegetables ( Especially Broccoli)
no Grain but some Tofu.
Peacan Nuts.


My simple thought was that Bear's body is fighting itself with Cancer
and I should help Bear's body for the good fight and Luckly Bear is a great eat lover with very healthy and strong digestion.


Bear's condition seems improved a lot both phsically and mentally.

1. Nasal discharge is reduced by 90%( Anti-Biotic may be the main thing
for this)

2. Bleeding did not happen again since the 2 time of quite heavy
bleeding on the last Monday and Tuesday morning.

3. Heavy Panting has been reduced ( but still wake-up early in the
morning like 3:am but calm down pretty soon)

4. Air flow through the left nostril improved a lot.

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I believe that it's worth to try for the people who decide not to go for Sergery, Radiation or Chemo-Theraphy for some reason.

I strongly recommend to read about Budwig-Diet.
It's very interesting and it's very economical also(the cost is below $1.00 per day.

I also believe that the Good Food and Budwig-Diet would helpful to the patient taking treatment of Sergery, Radiation, Cemo.Theraphy ect.

I keep in mind that the wrestle with the Enemy is not that simple and easy
and as some told that it may be the way of 'Roller Coaster'.

I say to myself on more time ..." Do your very best!".

Let's be strong as our beloved ones are.


With best wishes, Chol