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Old 05-28-2008, 01:41 PM
 
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Hi, TeddyRuxpin,
To anyone who wants to adopt a pitbull, a proper education should be given. In my case, my doggie supporting staff (Daycare, my dogwalkers and neighbors) made it very clear to me that they won't take care of a pit or a pit mix no matter how cute it may appear. The leader of the south Florida pit bull rescue organization advises me that pitbull dogs are only suitable for someone who can take care of it and is able to keep eye on it full time. Otherwise, I was told to crate the dog if I am not at home. Well, I work full time so it is not an option for me. In my view, it is a good thing that potential pitbull owners know all about the breed, good or bad and make an educated choice.

On another note, in the book “The new work of dogs, tending to life, love and family” , author, Jon Katz, described an abusive and loving relationship between a pitbull and a troubled kid, Jamal. Jamal abuses his pitbull to make it aggressive so the dog can protect him from neighborhood kids who has been bullying him. At the same time, Jamal loves his pitbull. According to author, his stories are all real. It is rather a very sad story. In addition, author also described a dog rescue hero, Betty Jean. It is a very good book.

 
Old 05-28-2008, 02:05 PM
 
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I want to cast some light on exactly why the pit bull is what it is today. there are some of these dogs that will not "turn on" and some will. It is up to the owner to know his animal. The first rule of an owner is NEVER TRUST HE WONT FIGHT. That means not leaving him unattended with kids and other small pets. Mine love my kitties and are never aggressive with them. But the neighborhood cats might not be so lucky. They have a strong prey drive. Squirrels and such make them CRAZY!! I know some have gone thru windows to get at them!!! But I digress... The fact is that the dog wants to please soooooo much. He will give his life if he is asked if he is a gamebred dog. He will pull as much weight as you want him too if he is trained. That is called gameness which is a fancy name for Wont Give Up. The thugs and idiots try to cash in on this quality and this is where it all goes to hell in a basket. These fools dont have a clue how to treat any dog much less one of this calibre. John Q Public sees only the bad becuz good news dont travel like bad news. There isnt sensationalism in "Pit Bull hit of the Birthday Party in Dallas, TX.!!" " Little girl adores her Pit Bull in Baton Rouge!!" No. And it would surprise you to know that the majority of even animal care givers CAN NOT pick out the pit bull in a row of pictures!!! Another bad deal is all the Pit Mixes. My goodness!!! That is not a good thing at all!!! They are usually strays or Back Yard crap and not of good temperament. So, they go bite somebody or another dog and all you hear is Pit Bull did it!! Alot of folks mistake a lab mix for a pit mix and the pit is always emphasized. Again. Sorry for ranting.
 
Old 05-28-2008, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Do you have a shelter (looks like a store in one of your pics), or are/were these all your foster dogs? Love the pic of Wolfgang - very cute.

It's so very nice to read posts where owners of pitt bulls (not correct, I know) are not defensive and angry, but highly knowledgeable, and are not afraid to acknowledge that an untrained, unsocialized dog can be a very dangerous one.

I have fallen under the media hype and misinformation spread about pit bulls. Must admit, I am wary if I see one when I am walking my dog. Most of the time, there's no problem, but when I see a full grown man failing to control his dog, as it is lunging towards me (across the street, yet) and my dog, it frightens the beejeezuz out of me.

You folks are the best proponents against BSL there could be. I don't believe in it either, but you're fighting a huge stereotype.

Good luck to all the responsible dog owners out there...I just love all the pictures!

Wow, and nobody's been flashing gang signs, either! Normal, responsible people...it's nice to see.
We are a non profit rescue run out of foster homes. So we have a store front that we go to every weekend for adoptins. Afterwards they all go back to a normal house where they get to run out on acres of land and play with all of their buddies. They're not locked up 24/7 like at a shelter.

This picture was taken after I had closed last weekend. You can see all of the crates lined up. I had locked the doors so Britches was out running around having a blast..until I stopped him to take a picture. lol



I'm glad I was able to post this without any problems. The forum I wrote it for blew up into a mess. When I was only asking for a little respect or at least to not spew false information if you don't have the right facts. I just need to keep my mouth shut.

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Hi, TeddyRuxpin,
To anyone who wants to adopt a pitbull, a proper education should be given. In my case, my doggie supporting staff (Daycare, my dogwalkers and neighbors) made it very clear to me that they won't take care of a pit or a pit mix no matter how cute it may appear. The leader of the south Florida pit bull rescue organization advises me that pitbull dogs are only suitable for someone who can take care of it and is able to keep eye on it full time. Otherwise, I was told to crate the dog if I am not at home. Well, I work full time so it is not an option for me. In my view, it is a good thing that potential pitbull owners know all about the breed, good or bad and make an educated choice.

On another note, in the book “The new work of dogs, tending to life, love and family” , author, Jon Katz, described an abusive and loving relationship between a pitbull and a troubled kid, Jamal. Jamal abuses his pitbull to make it aggressive so the dog can protect him from neighborhood kids who has been bullying him. At the same time, Jamal loves his pitbull. According to author, his stories are all real. It is rather a very sad story. In addition, author also described a dog rescue hero, Betty Jean. It is a very good book.
Oh I completely agree! Our adopters go through homechecks looking to see if their housing fits dog to dog. We also talk about domiance, training, different behaviors and also experiance. We don't have a set rule because they all have different needs.

See LingLing,
Britches wouldn't fit in that situation. If unsupervised he will dig out of a fenced yard. Once he did some one would call AS and he would be taken in, no doubt about that one. He would have no chance because of his beed(s) and the number tha are turned in. Not that he would be left out. I've gotten so many looks from people in my neighborhood when out walking him. Most people either own tiny dogs like toy poodles, chihuahuas etc or breeds like beagles,Goldens, GSD. Not "pit bulls" RUN lol

I'll have to look that book up!
 
Old 05-28-2008, 02:21 PM
 
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Hi, TeddyRuxpin,
Thank you for the great work you do. I am curious about your view about Betty Jean. I am sure you all dedicated to the dog rescue like her. I know it is not belong to this thread. If you ever read that book, we should start a discussion thread. Thank you again.
 
Old 05-28-2008, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Tejas
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I dont think education should be to anybody who adopts a pitbull, should be to anybody who adopbs any dog. Everybody should be made aware of every breeds/dogs history and charactaristics (sp!)
I educate people on Staffs all day long and tell them what kind of work goes into a good one, but thats not to stay they should go adopt a lab and throw it in the backyard and forget about ita nd itll be fine because theyre not a "pit", it wont go mad, bite people if it gets free. I just dont think a fuss should be made out about one specific breed because it kind of reinforces their beliefes that because special attention is brought to this type that it must mean they are dangerous, when in all reality your Staff, AmStaff, APBT if properly socialised, taken care of and you look out for signs is not more likely to get into a dog fight. Having said that though, if challenged its not very like any of the above will loose a fight, and then itll be the "pitbulls" fault because Fido got hurt badly because of a dumb as a brick wall owner thought Fido was so cute running around with not control.

On a side note you are doing a great job Teddie, I appreciate the work youre putting in for a dog that that was branded the root of all evil by the people that speak loudest as soon as he was conceived. How can a dog stand a chance like that! The only way people misinformation can be turned around is by people like you promoting the breed and making sure they get good homes and people like me and many others here fighting BSL tooth and nail. We will win in the end I am sure, its just a hard fight!
 
Old 05-28-2008, 02:30 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine, Florida
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First, just to be clear, I am not a supporter of banning pit bulls. I love them too, but not as much as boxers! And boxers get a bad rap too.

The problem is that pitbullmommie is referring to properly bred pitbulls and I am referring to ones that are not, which is no doubt where most of the problem is. But some people are purposely buying them that way because they want them mean and then act surprised when they attack someone.

By vicious I mean that once they attack, they mean to do a lot of damage. I didn't mean they just want to attack everyone because that is definitely not true-they can be very loving.

You are right when you say there are warning signs exibited by all dogs, including pitbulls, that the owner should pick up on and deal with. I think they must fool themselves into believing the dog will never take it to the level of biting. But to the kids playing in the yard, they have no idea and end up getting attacked (and it's almost always kids). But even when there are signs, a child running around playing with a friend, paying no attention to the dog, should not be able to provoke an attack by that dog, which in my mind is what snapping is. Obviously if a child is purposely taunting the dog that is not what I'm referring to.

For the people that buy pitbulls and treat them well and socialize them properly, there is still the matter of improper breeding. Some people dont have the money to get one from a reputable breeder so they get them elsewhere. This is why I think random people shouldn't be able to let their dog have puppies, for all they know they are breeding their dog with a sibling or a dog that has a bad temperment. But I think this is true of all breeds, not just pitbulls.

It is sad that some bad owners have gotten the dog such a bad rap that I will never allow my children to be near a pitbull, no matter who owns it. Hopefully all you pitbull owners can bring about a sensible solution to the problem so that someday opinions of the breed will change.
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First, just to be clear, I am not a supporter of banning pit bulls. I love them too, but not as much as boxers! And boxers get a bad rap too.
I wasn't able to get on CD for a little while and I don't think I have read many of your posts yet. I didn't realize that you were not a BSL supporter so I apologize if I came across rude in my post. I do tend to get a little hot headed when it comes to all of this just because I am so sick of having to defend my fur-babies all of the time. So, with that being said ...

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The problem is that pitbullmommie is referring to properly bred pitbulls and I am referring to ones that are not, which is no doubt where most of the problem is. But some people are purposely buying them that way because they want them mean and then act surprised when they attack someone.
Yes, I was talking about properly bred "pit bulls", I didn't realize that you were not, so again, I apologize. I completely agree with you on this. The majority of the aggressive "pit bulls" (well, at least human aggressive pits) have not been properly bred. Chances are they came from an accidental litter, a backyard breeder, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, a lot of the "pit bulls" that have been poorly bred end up in the wrong hands. The "type" of people that go out and buy from backyard breeders and people/places like that are normally irresponsible dog owners, if not people that fight dogs and/or train them specifically to be aggressive.

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By vicious I mean that once they attack, they mean to do a lot of damage. I didn't mean they just want to attack everyone because that is definitely not true-they can be very loving.
I definitely took what you posted the wrong way! I didn't realize that that's what you meant. I do agree that the "pit bull" breeds are very capable of doing some serious damage if they attack, but I have to say that there are many, many, many breeds and mixes out there that are capable of doing just as much damage.

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You are right when you say there are warning signs exibited by all dogs, including pitbulls, that the owner should pick up on and deal with. I think they must fool themselves into believing the dog will never take it to the level of biting. But to the kids playing in the yard, they have no idea and end up getting attacked (and it's almost always kids). But even when there are signs, a child running around playing with a friend, paying no attention to the dog, should not be able to provoke an attack by that dog, which in my mind is what snapping is. Obviously if a child is purposely taunting the dog that is not what I'm referring to.
I can't really argue with any of what you have said here. I agree that it is ridiculous for anyone to think that their dog would never bite or attack. Even the sweetest dogs can attack! All dogs have teeth and all dogs can be a threat.

All 3 of our APBTs are very human-friendly, they LOVE children and they get along wonderfully with other dogs. Our 2 females even get along with the few cats they have been around! lol! BUT, that definitely does not mean our dogs are perfect and that definitely does not mean they will never bite or attack someone. No matter how much our dogs like someone, we never ever leave them unattended with anyone (besides my husband or myself), just to be safe. Our dogs have never met a child they didn't like, they even seem to know that they have to be extra gentle around children , but again, we have never, and would never, leave them unattended around any child. And of course, the same goes with other animals. We don't even leave our dogs around each other unattended, just to be safe. IMHO, that is just the responsible thing to do. My husband and I try to be the best dog owners we can be for the sake of ourselves, our fur-babies and everyone that is ever around our fur-babies.

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For the people that buy pitbulls and treat them well and socialize them properly, there is still the matter of improper breeding. Some people dont have the money to get one from a reputable breeder so they get them elsewhere. This is why I think random people shouldn't be able to let their dog have puppies, for all they know they are breeding their dog with a sibling or a dog that has a bad temperment. But I think this is true of all breeds, not just pitbulls.
I couldn't agree more!

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It is sad that some bad owners have gotten the dog such a bad rap that I will never allow my children to be near a pitbull, no matter who owns it. Hopefully all you pitbull owners can bring about a sensible solution to the problem so that someday opinions of the breed will change.
It is very sad that people have destroyed these breeds reputations. These are dogs that have done so much good! I mean, the APBT has probably done more for this country than any other breed. The APBT was once the quintessential icon of American family life! They have fought in wars, they have done whatever it took to protect their owners, they are wonderful police dogs, search and rescue dogs, therapy dogs, service dogs, family companions, etc, etc, etc. The APBT, as I said before, is one of the most stable, people-friendly breeds in existence! Again, they score better than most popular family breeds, including Goldens and Beagles, in temperament testing. And, in addition, the APBT is one of the most intelligent and easy to train breeds of dogs. The trainer of the show dog Lassie has even said that his favorite breed for training is the APBT.

All 3 of the "pit bull" breeds, just like every single breed, can be some of the sweetest dogs you could ever meet, and at the same time, they could be some of the most aggressive dogs you could ever meet. As with all dogs, it all depends on how the dog has been bred, raised, trained, socialized and cared for. It is sad, but "pit bulls" are some of the most abused breeds in the world. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the APBT is the most abused breed in the world. These dogs have been bred for hundreds of years to be eager to please, human-friendly, family companions. I do not see how anyone could treat any living creature the way a lot of "pit bulls" are treated! Yes, they were also bred for things like bull-baiting and dog fighting, but when properly bred and in the hands of a loving, responsible owner who is educated on the breed and willing and able to properly care for and control their dog, these dogs are absolutely amazing! I have owned many breeds in my life, I have owned a Chocolate Lab, a Black Lab, a Fox Hound, a Cocker Spaniel, a Rhodesian Ridgeback/ Rottweiler mix, 2 Mini Schnauzers and now our 3 APBTs, and I honestly have to say, after owning APBTs, I can't see myself ever owning another breed. For my husband and I, the APBT is the perfect breed for us.
 
Old 05-28-2008, 04:37 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Comming to a city near you....If this gets past whats next??

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Old 05-28-2008, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If something like that is passed here in Texas I don't know what i'll do. Seriously. Probably cry my eyes out until I can't anymore. I wish people would just understand!
 
Old 05-28-2008, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Actually PBM, it's my fault that you did not know where I was coming from. When I saw this post, it was in the Arizona forum so I just figured I would throw my two cents in. I did not have a clue what a hot topic this is, if I would have, I would have been more careful about clarifying myself. Can someone post what BSL stands for? I get the context but would still like to know. Thanks.

Although I would never own a pitbull (because they aren't boxers), I know people that have them and they are wonderful dogs. But I live where a lot of thugs have them and that unfortunately makes me wary of letting my kids near any of them, because you never know. There have been several attacks here. Actually my kids are freaks-they are terrified of dogs and I have absolutely no idea why, because they do like them and want one. We even had a dog when they were in diapers. The people I know that have pitbulls say they will never own another breed, so they are a good breed for a lot of people. I of course will be getting boxers, the love of my life, as soon as I move out of this apartment!

I think way to many people get dogs because they want a toy and have no idea how much work they are. They make no attempt to learn about the breed and what it needs, they just expect them all to be the same. I have a friend who said on a monday she wanted a dog and on friday she came home with two! She didn't even know the first thing about the breed she bought, I almost died when she told me this. To make it even better, it is a designer breed, a chihweenie (sp?) chihuahua and dachshund. One of them is extreemly afraid of everything, and I just know it's going to bite one of her kids. And the sad part is she knows too, but she still lets her 3 year old get to ruff with them and annoy them. I guess she must think it is okay since it's only a 10 lb dog.

As a side note, if this had been in the regular pet forum I would never have read it. But since it was in the wrong forum and I have been following it, I also saw the rediculous law my home state of Ohio is trying to pass. I will be sure to let everyone I know that they need to send letters of opposition regarding HB 568. People think it's just about pitbulls, but that is just until it gets passed, then their will be more breeds added. Any breed the media decides to focus on would end up on the list. I know that something more sensible can and should be done.

And all the pictures posted are too cute! Makes me want to pack up and move out right now even though I'm not done with school just so I can finally have my dogs.
 
Old 05-28-2008, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Tejas
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chihweenie ? OMG what a terrible name, try saying that 10 times fast!

BSL in short, stands for one ignorant person forcing their ill thought out opinons on another :S
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