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They eat at night around the same time and we dont leave water out all day, but they do go to the toilets sometimes
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Both dogs are females and spayed and both dogs are potty trained.
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Well, no both dogs are not potty trained unless you're causing this with withholding the water or not walking them enough/long enough etc. That water thing is always a red flag to me.
Also on the walk they should be IN THE ZONE not sniffing and fooling around standing still. You should be able to tell from their gait and sniff that they are going to eliminate #2. It's different than a recreational sniff and with "purpose". You can also see their butts open up when they're going to go. Once they eliminate, they MIGHT have to go a second time but certainly not 10 minutes after coming back. They didn't finish, then. If you're feeding grocery store brand foods with alot of filler, this could be a problem but not with the urination. Cheap foods create HUGE stools. Even Science Diet does this - for example.
Did you happen to start withholding the water when the second one arrived?
Why don't they get water all day? Is it because you are at work?
If so, you're essentially only "training" early am and after "dinner"?
I NEVER recommend this. Dogs
really need access to water when on dry food and while it may seem counter-intuitive, withholding water is likely getting you the OPPOSITE effect. Because they have to drink SO SO MUCH to "catch up" from not spacing it out properly and naturally all day long.
There is also linkage between withholding water and epilepsy, also confirmed by Dr Dodds, a national expert.
Think about it. Their bladders are totally empty all day long, then they load up like a camel and it's NOT going to all come back out in 20 minutes. Even if they GO, they're going to have to go again shortly after.
I would leave water FREE ACCESS like a normal healthy dog gets. If they can't hold it mid-day get a dog walker. And see if that helps.
IME, trying to control the physical needs of dogs is not going to get the desired outcome and you're really NOT seeing a true picture if you're manipulating their intake.
You're also risking BLOAT with them gulping down so much especially if they start playing and running soon after.
I also saw this when a friend of mine withheld water from the housemate of a megaesophagus dog on our message board. The one without the mega-e started seizures...then when the sick one died and water was returned to the living one the seizures STOPPED COMPLETELY. HE also drank like a camel twice a day. Not fair!
I wouldn't appreciate it if someone refused to give ME water all day long. And potentially at night now in crates.
The reccomended baseline amount of water for a dog is ONE OUNCE of water per POUND OF DOG per day. Before factoring in things like dry or wet diet, humidity, activity, lifestyle etc.
That means at least 5 cups of water each if they weigh 40 lbs. 8 oz = 1 cup.
If they eat wet food or human food with alot of veggies or Raw Meaty Bones Diet, they will drink alot less but free access to water should still be provided. With dry kibble they need ALOT OF WATER.