Vick Community Service (vet, black, teeth, rescued)

[cool rob]

Originally Posted by Driller1

Now I hate you too.....

Very sad

[ArkLexee]

that would be a hate born out of passion; a long time ago, I was told...not to hate a certain person but to hate his deeds. Didn't work for me. I hated him til the day he died. And it didn't bode well for my own emotional health but I was too close to THAT situation.

I'm not hating vick so much...actually, he's off my "seek and destroy" radar. The public that is involved in his return to life will make the call. They're the ones who can munch popcorn and swig beer and cheer him on. My time is better spent elsewhere...as is my mind. (what little there is left of it)

rob has a point; there are tons of other abuses going on in this world, many of them overlooked for one reason or another or "cause celebre" for a bit and then forgotten. Vick and his ilk touched a very sensitive nerve and the others still out there doing the same things or worse to animals and humans..are just as reprehensible as he is.

I'm going to sit back and watch his career via the news...because he's not thru getting into trouble. You can count on it. His second chance will probably turn into a third, fourth, fifth...and we'll be right back where we started. He's perfectly aware of how some of the public vilifies him and that'll get him.... his enemies won't even have to lift a finger.

[Sillypups]

That jerk LOST all his rights. Anyone who kills animals..humans...they should lose all rights. They should be put to death the same way they killed their victim(s).
Staying in jail is too good for them.

If any team hires him...all his $$$ should go to animal rescue/rehab for abused animals, then back to jail he can sit.....forever

[Connecticut Pam]

Originally Posted by dcashley

Enough punishment--yes....but paying his debt to society is another issue.
Don't be silly.
No. It shouldn't be the end of it. He should have the same respect and job opportunities as any other ex-con. Nothing more. Not a damn red cent.

Respect?? Would you respect a person who beat a helpless child? What he did isn't much different..oh, you say...dogs aren't like humans?? Says who?? Animals are God's creatures, placed on this earth for our enjoyment, protection, love, caring and companionship. They are not put on this earth for people to beat, starve, make fight for money then kill after you have turned them into killers themselves. Job opportunities?? Would you hire a person who abused small animals? How long before "word" would get out among the other employees that an animal abuser was "in the house"?

It is very strange to me that the media doesn't say much about Mr. Vick actually SAYING he is sorry or actually SAYING he will make restitution..just that stupid face grinning..AWWW GOLLY GEE, I AM SO HAPPY TO BE OUT OF PRISON FOR ABUSING MY DOGS...UH HUUHHH..

Yes, give the maniac a job because he has "DONE HIS TIME" and "DESERVES THE SAME RESPECT ANY EX CON SHOULD HAVE". I would respect a thief more than I would anyone who abused animals.

[dcashley]

Originally Posted by LeftCoastee

You can ask the same question about gang violence. How can you stand there and shoot someone you don't even know as well as injuring innocent bystanders without feeling any remorse? I honestly can't imagine that every gang member has a brain defect that doesn't allow them to feel emotion. .

I was as street cop in Watts for years. I disagree. I think that gang members understand only one thing: personal pain. You remember the pain/pleasure theory from psychology 101? Well, gang members never figured out the "pleasure" part--the only thing they respond to is pain.

These are the same type of people who engage in dog fighting. It is no wonder that violent oriented sports such as boxing and football tend to attract those kinds of people as professionals. As a result, it is the duty of the rest of us to ensure that when they wear that mantle, they are also role models for young people. Michael Vick is a role model. He is perhaps one of the worst possible role models--but he IS a role model. If we allow him to resume his celebrity status, we are in fact saying to our youth, "See, it really doesn't matter if you are a good citizen or not."

I encourage everyone to actively resist Vick's recruitment onto another team--of any sort.

[dcashley]

Originally Posted by Connecticut Pam

Respect?? Would you respect a person who beat a helpless child? What he did isn't much different..oh, you say...dogs aren't like humans?? Says who?? Animals are God's creatures, placed on this earth for our enjoyment, protection, love, caring and companionship. They are not put on this earth for people to beat, starve, make fight for money then kill after you have turned them into killers themselves. Job opportunities?? Would you hire a person who abused small animals? How long before "word" would get out among the other employees that an animal abuser was "in the house"?

It is very strange to me that the media doesn't say much about Mr. Vick actually SAYING he is sorry or actually SAYING he will make restitution..just that stupid face grinning..AWWW GOLLY GEE, I AM SO HAPPY TO BE OUT OF PRISON FOR ABUSING MY DOGS...UH HUUHHH..

Yes, give the maniac a job because he has "DONE HIS TIME" and "DESERVES THE SAME RESPECT ANY EX CON SHOULD HAVE". I would respect a thief more than I would anyone who abused animals.

You misunderstood what I meant. I am sorry--my fault for not communicating my entire thought. Most ex-cons get jobs like being a dishwasher. That would be a fitting end to Vick's career.

[LeftCoastee]

Originally Posted by dcashley

I was as street cop in Watts for years. I disagree. I think that gang members understand only one thing: personal pain. You remember the pain/pleasure theory from psychology 101? Well, gang members never figured out the "pleasure" part--the only thing they respond to is pain.

A street cop in Watts....wow. Not many people signing up for that job.

So how do you explain reformed gang members? People who have developed a sense of remorse and compassion. Clearly those feelings were there, although undeveloped, no?

[cool rob]

Originally Posted by dcashley

I was as street cop in Watts for years. I disagree. I think that gang members understand only one thing: personal pain. You remember the pain/pleasure theory from psychology 101? Well, gang members never figured out the "pleasure" part--the only thing they respond to is pain.

These are the same type of people who engage in dog fighting. It is no wonder that violent oriented sports such as boxing and football tend to attract those kinds of people as professionals. As a result, it is the duty of the rest of us to ensure that when they wear that mantle, they are also role models for young people. Michael Vick is a role model. He is perhaps one of the worst possible role models--but he IS a role model. If we allow him to resume his celebrity status, we are in fact saying to our youth, "See, it really doesn't matter if you are a good citizen or not."

I encourage everyone to actively resist Vick's recruitment onto another team--of any sort.

No, if he beat the case with a slap on the wrist (i.e. probation) then maybe I would agree with you, however he went through hell. Imprisonment, poverty, and embarassment.

If a kid contemplating doing a dumb thing like he did doesn't think twice based on how the media/public dragged him through the crapper then maybe they deserve the axe, and no role model would have any bearing on their behavior anyway.

[cool rob]

Originally Posted by Connecticut Pam

Respect?? Would you respect a person who beat a helpless child? What he did isn't much different..oh, you say...dogs aren't like humans?? Says who?? Animals are God's creatures, placed on this earth for our enjoyment, protection, love, caring and companionship. They are not put on this earth for people to beat, starve, make fight for money then kill after you have turned them into killers themselves. Job opportunities?? Would you hire a person who abused small animals? How long before "word" would get out among the other employees that an animal abuser was "in the house"?

It is very strange to me that the media doesn't say much about Mr. Vick actually SAYING he is sorry or actually SAYING he will make restitution..just that stupid face grinning..AWWW GOLLY GEE, I AM SO HAPPY TO BE OUT OF PRISON FOR ABUSING MY DOGS...UH HUUHHH..

Yes, give the maniac a job because he has "DONE HIS TIME" and "DESERVES THE SAME RESPECT ANY EX CON SHOULD HAVE". I would respect a thief more than I would anyone who abused animals.

two points, no one is arguing for you to respect Vick.
He is a piece of []modbleep[/mod]for what he did, sure. He is also a fool for taking what he had for granted by doing it, sure. Do I respect Mike Vick, yes. I respect the fact that he got beat over the head for doing what he did (while many others who did more, walked away with less, however that is a different discussion all together), doing his time like aman, and still holding his head up high for all the world to see. Everyone thinks 2 years in prison is no big deal. Ask any ex con how being behind the wall is, then you can get a better understanding of "hell on earth". How about being stripped of all you worked for your whole life (that is also no joke).

Second point, you respect Bernard Madoff more than Mike Vick? He stole billions! Or are you referring to the thief who steals a pack of gum? Or does it even really matter? They are all a bunch of crooks, the only difference is Vick got caught (same as Madoff), did his time and deserves a fresh start, like anyone else who make a mistake gets. Really people, let's look at this logically, and keep it fair. All bias out the window!

[dcashley]

Originally Posted by LeftCoastee

A street cop in Watts....wow. Not many people signing up for that job.

So how do you explain reformed gang members? People who have developed a sense of remorse and compassion. Clearly those feelings were there, although undeveloped, no?

I've seen a few...very few of those creatures. I cannot explain them--as I don't have the sociological/psychological background to do so. I can only guess that these people were not "hard core" gang members, but were, at least in their own minds, reluctant participants. I don't know.

Yet, I know what I've seen...the people who join gangs end up being viscious, violent, hurtful thugs. They should never be role models for our youth.