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Old 12-31-2009, 11:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I know many people opt for grain-free food for their dogs, thinking that grains are the main allergy culprit. There's a very well-known pet store in my area, and they work with dog nutrition experts when deciding what to sell. While they do sell kibble, they are the biggest supplier of raw food in the county and sell every major brand. Here is their article on grain-free foods:

We’ve been discussing the issue of “grain free” dry foods for dogs and cats. More and more companies are coming out with these foods, and we’re doing our best to sort through the products in our quest for the best foods for your pets.

The reason more companies are marketing dry foods without grains is that they are capitalizing on the myth that grains are the primary cause of allergy-type symptoms in dogs. Grains may not be required by dogs or cats for proper health, but they aren’t evil either. While it’s true that some dogs appear to have an intolerance to gluten, this is not a common problem.

One of the biggest misconceptions is that dry foods that don’t have grains are automatically low in carbohydrates. The machinery used to make dry food would clog up if the food didn’t have enough starch to form the pellets properly. Potatoes, tapioca, sweet potatoes…. they are all starch-based foods, thus they all contribute carbohydrates to the diet. Many of these dry foods have just as much, and in some cases, more carbohydrates than foods that contain grains.

Feeding a dry food that is “grain-free,” even if it is high in protein, does not take the place of feeding fresh raw or home-cooked food. The processing involved in making dry food kills the naturally occurring nutrition of the ingredients. This is why they have to add synthetic vitamins and hope that they are absorbed properly.

The bottom line is that dry food, of any formula, is still a highly processed diet to depend on. It is simply not logical to rely on pellets in a bag for all your pet’s nutritional needs. There is no way that a bag of pellets can truly supply “100% complete nutrition.” Would you eat that way yourself? We say, “Think outside the bag!”
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Old 12-31-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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Would you eat that way yourself? We say, “Think outside the bag!”[/quote]


No, I wouldn't eat that way myself but then again, I wouldn't eat a 3 day old squirrel either. Ringo would - after rolling in it, of course.
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Old 12-31-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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I did not think you were supposed to copy articles but rather link to them.

You are true about grains and allergies. Actually various meats are the biggest source of K9 Food allergies. That is why the VERY FIRST hypoallergenic dog foods swapped out the chicken for lamb but now lamb is too common.

Good point on extrusion, but many higher quality dog foods are baked, not extruded Would I eat that way? No though I do eat some prepared foods, but I would also not eat nothing but chicken chicken chicken, usually backs necks or leg quarters, every day either, which is what the vast majority of rawfood dogs get. Not enough variety IMO.
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:16 PM
 
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I would also not eat nothing but chicken chicken chicken, usually backs necks or leg quarters, every day either, which is what the vast majority of rawfood dogs get. Not enough variety IMO.
So not the case here! We buy him buffalo, ostrich, alligator, rabbit, lamb, venison when available (for some reason, not that common here), chicken, turkey, beef, quail, and whatever else we happen to stumble upon! I think he's had his variety of carcasses and has yet to turn one down!
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Old 12-31-2009, 02:20 PM
 
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So not the case here! We buy him buffalo, ostrich, alligator, rabbit, lamb, venison when available (for some reason, not that common here), chicken, turkey, beef, quail, and whatever else we happen to stumble upon! I think he's had his variety of carcasses and has yet to turn one down!
I think you are very much the exception. That is good.
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Old 12-31-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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I think you are very much the exception. That is good.
That's very common for true raw feeders. I raw feed, but I can't find the variety that MAK feeds, so they get mostly pork, chicken, beef, turkey, and fish. I have to really hunt (the ethnic markets) for goat, rabbit, and anything else I can find. When I do find it, it's like getting myself a Christmas present! When I can afford shipping, I'll order buffalo, quail, rabbit, etc.
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Old 12-31-2009, 08:04 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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So not the case here! We buy him buffalo, ostrich, alligator, rabbit, lamb, venison when available (for some reason, not that common here), chicken, turkey, beef, quail, and whatever else we happen to stumble upon! I think he's had his variety of carcasses and has yet to turn one down!

pc is a lucky boy .... i can't afford to feed MYSELF that well........
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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pc is a lucky boy .... i can't afford to feed MYSELF that well........
I was thinking the same thing
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Old 12-31-2009, 11:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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That's very common for true raw feeders. I raw feed, but I can't find the variety that MAK feeds, so they get mostly pork, chicken, beef, turkey, and fish. I have to really hunt (the ethnic markets) for goat, rabbit, and anything else I can find. When I do find it, it's like getting myself a Christmas present! When I can afford shipping, I'll order buffalo, quail, rabbit, etc.
How do you feed fish?? I am scared of feeding raw fish because of the parasite risk! Do you just buy it and feed it? Freeze it first to kill parasite? And whole or fillet? Sorry for all the questions, I'd love to add raw fish to his diet, because he only eats canned sardines and tuna right now!

And we have a farmers market here every day, in a different part of town each time. There is a guy that comes and he sells natural meats. You order online, and pick up at the market. He sells rabbit and buffalo, so that's where I get that.

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pc is a lucky boy .... i can't afford to feed MYSELF that well........
That dog eats better than me, it's pretty sad!
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Old 01-01-2010, 12:07 AM
 
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Interesting article. I'm a raw feeder as well - mostly chicken, turkey (especially this time of year, LOL), beef, pork, and fish...almost got some duck but when I went back the store didn't have them. When my supply starts to run low again, I'm going to check the ethnic markets for some other meats. The most I'll pay for meat is $1.29/lb, I prefer to pay around $1/lb. Last month I got turkeys for something like 25 cents/lb, it was ridiculous. The dog does eat pretty good... Luckily she's small and doesn't eat a lot.

I agree, too much chicken isn't good, chicken is too high in bone unless you're feeding nothing but breasts.

I'm working on my emergency/earthquake survival kit, and think a high-quality kibble will be the best thing to keep on hand since raw isn't really practical for that. I hadn't thought about the grain-free kibble having lots of carbs, though. What is a good percentage of protein for a kibble? I know what to look for in the ingredients, but not sure about the percentages.
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