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Old 09-25-2010, 05:13 AM
 
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I think they already are, but what will happen when the resources they need run out?
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Old 09-25-2010, 05:23 AM
 
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I think they already are, but what will happen when the resources they need run out?
Well, they ain't gonna run out. The Chinese do it bigger and better than the US and if the US fails in Afghanistan then it'll be the US who runs out of resources, not China.

New Turkmen-China Pipeline Breaks Russia's Hold Over Central Asian Gas - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty 2010

Yeah, the US has been trying to get it's oil and natural gas out of Central Asia since 1997 and still hasn't been able to complete the CentGas Pipeline through Afghanistan into India (which is one reason Enron collapsed -- you do remember Enron, don't you?)

The Chinese now have 6 oil/natural gas pipelines running out of the Stans and the US doesn't even have one yet.

I'm laughing at the superior intellect.
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Old 09-25-2010, 07:13 AM
 
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I know the U.S has a long history of scare mongering...remember all the hype of the Japanese over taking the U.S production in the 80's?
But this is a little different, yes China is way way down the list when comparing per capita GDP. But in no time it will be the second largest economy in the world over all, and growing rapidly.
Asian tigers like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong went from extremely poor countries to Western standard economies almost over night.

If China, unlike Japan which has a small population. Repeats anything even remotely close the the other Asian tiger economies. It will emerge as the Worlds biggest economy by a Long Long Way. Put it this way, if it Only reaches Half the U.S per Capita GDP. By it being 4 times the size in population than the U.S, its economy will Still be twice the size! Scary isn't it. Its really not a case of IF, its when. I guess China has a long history of being the worlds largest economy up to about 300 years ago ? So a guess things will be just returning to there natural order

So what does this mean ?
Well I guess by about 2040 the U.S will have to get used to being a smaller World player. Certainly not the center of World economics as it is now. I'm not so sure if this this is bad for the U.S? I think the U.S would be better off worrying whats happening at home rather that trying to fix the World's Political problems.

Problem is, what will China do with its new found power?
I mean I have Never liked the U.S's foreign policy. But as the saying goes Better the devil you know than the devil you don't
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Old 09-25-2010, 08:06 AM
 
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It's more of an American paranoia.

The Chinese themselves have no interest in being a superpower nor do they look forward to it. For them it's simple business as usual.

We only need to look back into history. Even during their most powerful monarchies in the past, where they could have waged wars and annexed territories, they still maintained peace with India, despite its richness in resources. Maybe coz India was powerful herself. But the point is that China is very much a closed society, it just lies in their low profile attitude.

Anyone saw the attitude of the Chinese Premier with Obama yesterday. He "begged" for patience and was humble enough to admit how many in China live in poverty.

They can never be a superpower. I don't think they want to be. 70% of the Chinese are simply happy with their fried rice and low profile lifestyle. If they consider a flush toilet a luxury, there is nothing wrong with that
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Old 09-25-2010, 10:15 AM
 
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The flaw in the OP is that it hand-picks one statistic, and uses that and only that as the criterion for "super power". By your standards, the world's two biggest superpowers would be Luxembourg and Bermuda, but Brazil and India wouldn't even be in the top 100. You have to put a few more factors into the mix.

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(China is moving fast towards Capitalism, while the United States is moving fast towards Socialism.
Can you give me one example from the past decade that would show that the US is moving toward socialism? Please don't insult our intelligence by suggesting health care, when a bill has just been passed that will force tens of millions of people to buy health insurance from the private sector. Hardly a move toward socialism. There were more Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan employed by private contractors, than by the government. You call that socialism? An increasing number of incarcerated Americans are being held in prisons owned by the private sector. Socialism? Public schools losing enrollments to charter schools. Socialism? Almost no publicly-owned hospitals at all any more, nearly all private corporations. Socialism? State and national park amenities now run by private concessionaires. Socialism? Voting machines leased from private corporations, ticket-issuing traffic-cams run by private corporations, Socialism?

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Old 09-25-2010, 10:37 AM
 
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I think they already are, but what will happen when the resources they need run out?
The Chinese and India are buying Appalachian Coal for making steel we have the best coal for coking.Do you know how the Chinese process the coal into coke? They dig a big hole in the ground fill it with diesel fuel put a grate of coal on top and light it up like a big BQ.All the comtaminants like Mercury,Benzene leak into the soil and water think about that next time you all go to Wallyworld.
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Old 09-25-2010, 10:57 AM
 
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70% of the Chinese are simply happy with their fried rice and low profile lifestyle.
No, they aren't. That is why their middle class is growing so fast, they want to have cars and flat screen TVs etc. just like Westerners.
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Old 09-25-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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Most people, in both the USA and China, regard other features in their daily lives as being of more importance than a flush toilet, which in any case seems to be an odd criterion for evaluating the power of a nation.
I think it is a good one, it's a symbol of the citizens of country having a basic convenience that is taken for granted and simply assumed to be available in developed countries.

I'd certainly feel comfortable evaluating the success of a country on the standard of living of it's citizens.
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Old 09-25-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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I think they already are, but what will happen when the resources they need run out?
Remember, the main cause for any war is either land or resources.
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Old 09-25-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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That's an interesting turn-of-thread Tightwad. I'd be interested to look back at past wars to see what the main cause is, although I suspect there often isn't just one.

I think a lot are just to control a larger sphere of political influence.
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