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Old 03-03-2011, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Default The U.S.A. should be more like China?!

To all those who still believe China is a happy, successful, excellent example and shining beacon for the future...

Chinese activists disappear amid calls for protests - USATODAY.com
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Old 03-03-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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True, they have their political and human rights issues. But considering how far they've come in just a few decades compared to America, Great Britain and Europe which developed democracy and rights over hundreds of years...and considering how quickly the masses of Chinese are flooding into the ranks of middle class because of a very pro-business environment...I don't think it will take long for these political/rights issues to resolve themselves.

...meanwhile the US will devolve into a socialistic welfare state where we will have all our freedoms, but no jobs!
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Old 03-03-2011, 03:28 PM
 
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Like China?

NO! Oh hell NO!
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Old 03-03-2011, 06:34 PM
 
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China is heading into a path that will develop them into what the US was when it was prosperous... strangely, the US is heading into a path that brought China into what it is today... The US is becoming more like China whether you like it or not...
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Old 03-04-2011, 11:40 AM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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Do I want to become more like a nation which epitomizes intellectual property theft, mercantilism, and lack of original thought?

Heck. NO.

So long as they jail people with impunity just for speaking a tone different from the propaganda machine and so long as the "tallest blade of grass is cut first" mentality exists there, they will be doomed to be one step behind us on the technological ladder.
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Old 03-04-2011, 04:11 PM
 
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You do know that there are plenty of political prisoners in the USA, right? People like Mumia Abu Jamal and Leonard Pelletier and Bradley Manning, just to name a few that come quickly to mind.

http://www.prisonactivist.org/archive/pps+pows/pplist-alpha.shtml (broken link)

Guess what? The US IS more like China, more than they told you in fifth grade.

Does the term "Gitmo" ring a bell? Still 172 in there.

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Old 03-04-2011, 04:51 PM
 
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China is heading into a path that will develop them into what the US was when it was prosperous... strangely, the US is heading into a path that brought China into what it is today... The US is becoming more like China whether you like it or not...
Well said. China turning capitalist while American turning socialist. Need I say more? By 2050 China will look like America today and America will look like China today.
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:31 AM
 
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Do I want to become more like a nation which epitomizes intellectual property theft, mercantilism, and lack of original thought?

Heck. NO.

So long as they jail people with impunity just for speaking a tone different from the propaganda machine and so long as the "tallest blade of grass is cut first" mentality exists there, they will be doomed to be one step behind us on the technological ladder.
For the most part, there is a serious diminishing returns to innovation so it won't really take long for China to catch up to the USA. It is becoming incredibly difficult to invent new technology (look at how long and expensive it is to invent a new drug, it takes 20 years and 1 billion dollars). The resources that are necessary and the knowledge required to invent newer technology is immense and unfortunately for the world, there will be some degree of stagnation coming in the future.

It isn't really the system (such as education system/original thought/etc) that is holding back innovation but the massive amount of resources that are now required to even invent new technology. There is a reason why a lot of countries are now partnering to develop new technology (check out all the partners CERN had to develop the Large Hadron Collider).
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:46 AM
 
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To all those who still believe China is a happy, successful, excellent example and shining beacon for the future...

Who thinks that?
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:44 PM
 
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Do I want to become more like a nation which epitomizes intellectual property theft, mercantilism, and lack of original thought?

Heck. NO.

So long as they jail people with impunity just for speaking a tone different from the propaganda machine and so long as the "tallest blade of grass is cut first" mentality exists there, they will be doomed to be one step behind us on the technological ladder.
You sound like you invented Google yourself or something. Most technological and scientific advancements are incremental, this is why you often get breakthroughs discovered independently at around the same time, because the stew of circumstances were perfect for the discovery. Nothing comes from a vacuum ever. China must first reach our level before it can produce new innovations, and it must reach us quickly or be left further behind. China doesn't honor our intellectual property for the same reason we didn't honor most of Europe's intellectual property and trade laws when we were developing in the late 1800s and early 1900s. The very things you accuse China today are the exact things Europeans accused us with for centuries.

If it weren't for immigration and American wealth, where would the US be? Google was founded by a Russian immigrant, Yahoo by a Chinese immigrant.

As China becomes richer and richer, smart motivated people who chase after opportunity will go there too. Don't be complacent in thinking we will keep our technological lead forever. Especially not with our craptastic K12 education system and the record low motivation level of our Twitter- and drug-addled children.

Don't kid yourself in thinking our K12 education system or our political system is what produces original thought in this country. There's not an ounce of critical thinking in both these sorry institutions. America's critical thinking skills come from the drive to make money.
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