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Old 06-29-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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why would you call someone else a retard when its you thats lacking intelligence? we are to believe that electric cars dont get into accidents?
Are you telling me the folks that brought US barriers and no left turns cannot see any further ahead down the road to see where the road is heading/

[mumbles under breath -- I should have probably started with cartoons or something]

I am calling you a retard because when encountering an area where you lack knowledge, rather than saying something normal like -- How could electric cars reduce auto accidents? -- Instead you go to baboon howling of Conservative v. Liberal (self ID-ing you as a retard, as it were), and sticking berries up your nose.

For anyone with a clue, most folks outside of the Political Section have figured out the entire Conservative v. Liberal routine is Corporate Marketing to segment and market to the political industry. The fools who think it is for real are the retards, as it were. Nothing personal, just calling things what they are, you follow?

As to why Electric Vehicles are easier to make "goof proof" as it were is because the nature of the control and power system lend themselves to a higher sensor integration along with the control systems that are built into the vehicle itself.

The down-the-road path is that it is likely the electric cars will be able to pick up their power from the roadway -- allowing the sensor and control system to be able to calculate the location of the vehicle, the roadway conditions, the vehicles around it, traffic conditions, and traffic control devices.

Means no more fender-benders, rear-enders, red-light-runners, no more crippled and paralysis for folks from the wrecks . . . . on and on and on. The savings in from the property loss, insurance and medical costs will quickly pay for the entire improvement.

Happy with that?

On the other hand we could also still build Electric Bumper Cars so the retards, Conservatives and Liberals, alike, can all run into and over each other. I sure the rest of US would enjoy the show and be happy to not have to share the road with you all.
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:57 PM
 
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So much for oil going DOWN.


Was at what, $90/barrel? Now up to $95.. on it's way to $100.
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Old 06-29-2011, 10:02 PM
 
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In a grand game of global chicken America is using everybody else's oil up first thus saving America's oil for when we have the only game in town.........



Wired 12.07: The Trillion-Barrel Tar Pit
Hello? That's my oil not yours

You'll have to be nice or we won't sell you anymore.
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:46 AM
 
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If you don't believe me go out and do your own research rather that whine about it here.
You should follow your own advice, except I doubt you know how.
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:21 AM
 
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Sure. I actually, really, real-world work in this field.

Deal with it everyday, all day.

Either way -- prepared, planned or not -- it is where we are heading.

Comes down to just numbers. Like Sun Tzu taught, the Good General knows the numbers.

Whether it is a move forward to a bright and sunny future -- or the GW/Cheney/PNAC plan of war, death and theft -- it is a choice that every (every) generation, people, and person has to make. Things have not changed about these choices in the thousands of years here on Planet Dumb since this was written:



For US, to continue to choose Oil is to choose death.
It is not that I disagree that we should ween ourselves off oil, and sooner rather than later. Nonetheless, it is going to be a painful and expensive ordeal. Speaking of really big numbers, remember that if oil ceased to exist tomorrow, a lot of mighty big players would be crowding onto your field. Be prepared for Goliath (XOM, COP, BP, Halliburton, etc) to take away your ball and crowd you off the field. As I said, be careful what you wish for!
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Old 06-30-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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It is not that I disagree that we should ween ourselves off oil, and sooner rather than later. Nonetheless, it is going to be a painful and expensive ordeal. Speaking of really big numbers, remember that if oil ceased to exist tomorrow, a lot of mighty big players would be crowding onto your field. Be prepared for Goliath (XOM, COP, BP, Halliburton, etc) to take away your ball and crowd you off the field. As I said, be careful what you wish for!
Not too worried about that either way.

I wandered hard in to renewable because I have kids.

It is more about having a future that is survivable than turning a buck.

I have done Big Power/Energy -- Power Plants, Refineries, Hydro, etc., on and off for years, and that pays for the projects I like to play with and our (when in-between-projects) blatant goof-off lifestyles.

Did enough Oil and Well work and looked at the numbers (again Sun Tzu) and could see where things are heading. And I do not see anyone else aggressively choosing paths to actively take US off Oil.

Not really grandiose plans on my end, just an application of philosophy from one of my favorite movies that our kids have called, "Robots." The theme of the Earnest Nerd robots in that movie was -- "See a Need, Fill a Need." Ok. That is simple enough. I can do that.

A couple years ago I was sitting joking with a Mechanical Engineer from Israel. We were working together on a Large Renewable project. We were chatting nonsense mixed with real stuff, about like we do on here -- and he looks over and mused -- "Yunno, Phil . . . when I was young, I wanted to 'Stick it to The Man.' Now I have found that I am The Man."

Occurred to me that was true for me, as well. We had both been in farming in our younger days -- him on a kibbutz, me on Midwest grain farming, both Army troops and later O-types, both now engineers that folks routinely trust will million(s) dollar decisions daily. Yep we were now The Man. Or at least the agent-on-the-ground of The Man.

So if he was correct, and we have become "The Man," I might as well choose to be a Good Man. That choice is totally within my control and responsibility.

You are correct about the Big Boys eyeing the various RE markets. They are circling in and for my part I welcome the hand-off. The nature of running the sprints and relay races, is when you hit the finish line or the baton hand-off, you are ready to stop running.

Some of the Big Corporate Operations are seeking to buy up Renewable Projects just to sideline them. Avera (French Nuke Consortium) bought AUSRA (Solar Renewable start-up) just to shut it down and pretend to be interested in Non-Nuke options.

Dow wanted to hire me to help run a Solar PV production plant last fall. Did not go through with them, as they kind of have their Corporate Only view of things, and it tends be rather limited. (jmho). But I track what is going on the fields of my interest by randomly searching Key Words on indeed.com. Hiring generally precedes various Corporate activity by around 6 months or so. Now I see that Dow is expanding into PV Sales and Installation Support. They are trying to go Vertical on the Market.

Dunno, don't care, either way. Big planet, big country, lots of work and plenty for everyone. Choosing to live in surplus sure beats living in lack.

For my part, when I see US heading off Oil and the rest of Fossil Fuels, whether from the Top Down, or Bottom Up, I will just smile and head back to my real Mind Candy -- Biomedical and Neural Interface Designs.
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Old 06-30-2011, 11:45 PM
 
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Philip, I like your attitude! And I have always thought that it is from turmoil that opportunity arises.
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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Philip, I like your attitude! And I have always thought that it is from turmoil that opportunity arises.
As far as attitude, I am trying to upgrade from a-hole to merely jackass.

As has been pointed to out me by Escort Rider and others, (thank you, btw) a-holes tend to stink and crap on everyone else.

So for a self-improvement program, I have been studying a jackass (donkey) two doors down from us. He walks around and nods at folks that come by, keeps the coyotes away, and sings the neighborhood kids to sleep. (sings a hee-haw song every evening)

I think I can do that.

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As far the turmoil -- kind of like proverbial saying that Crisis = Opportunity in Chinese? Have no idea if that is true, but it had become popular to cite at one time.

Might have seen some stuff on Scenario Planning? Of the three typical Cases -- Worse, Best, and Changed Cases -- Change is the most likely. Maybe turmoil is Change happening at a speed faster setting faster than Comfort?

In all cases of life, it can often matter less what cards you are dealt than how you play them.
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:32 PM
 
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we also have massive amounts of natural gas (which can be used for transportation) which is about 50% cheaper than oil. We have so much natural gas that we are starting to export it. Talk about idiocracy.

What we really need to do is switch from using oil to natural gas. That'll buy us enough time to develop high efficiency electric cars.
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Old 07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
 
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The sad thing is even if this is true, the companies that own the reserves here in the US have no patriotism- can we expect if all the rest of the world's oil runs out that they will just start pumping out those reserves and selling them here within the US? No way- they will sell them out on the world oil market to the highest bidder, no matter who it is. Corporations are all about profits- they don't care if the US bleeds dry and dies. So that's why it never really matters how much oil is made here domestically- all that matters is how much oil from all around the world is available, in hopes of making sure there is more available than the world's demand.

What about the jobs created by the expansion of oil production in the USA??? What about the money workers would spread into the economy??????

Increased oil production would put downward pressure on the cost of oil.........no matter where it is sold.
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