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Old 08-31-2011, 02:31 PM
 
Location: MN
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It's like your can of Green Giant corn, which could have been canned in any of 100 canning factories, but according to the quality control standards set by Green Giant in LeSueur, Minnesota. Or, at least, they were, until they got swallowed up by General Foods which then got swallowed up by Phllip Morris, which then got hidden behind the Altria disguise, and now you have no idea if there is any quality control or not, except that we know that their primary business is to addict people to toxic products and lie about it. Buy American.
General Mills owns Green Giant. Philip Morris bought Kraft.
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Old 08-31-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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General Mills owns Green Giant. Philip Morris bought Kraft.
I stand corrected. I have a hard time telling the multinational conglomerates apart. At least I didn't say General Motors.
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Old 08-31-2011, 04:58 PM
 
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I stand corrected. I have a hard time telling the multinational conglomerates apart.
There is less and less difference all the time. With the interlocking Boards of Directors who also move in and out of various .gov levels and upper .mil, they are all about the same operations, with just slightly differing names.

About like the intermarriage and interbreeding of European "Royalty" from Middle Age through Post-Reconnaissance Europe. Little Kingdoms that are various parts of the various Empires.

When the .gov, the .mil, and .com fully converge, it will be what Mussolini only dreamed of.

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At least I didn't say General Motors.
Might as well.

Parts is Parts.
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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HERE YA GO.... BLACK ON PASSENGER SIDE,GRAY ON DRIVER SIDE







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Old 09-02-2011, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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HERE YA GO.... BLACK ON PASSENGER SIDE,GRAY ON DRIVER SIDE






So is this the same situation that's making it's rounds on jeep forums too? Or is this a new Chrysler-esque epidemic?

2012 Wrangler leaves factory with wrong parts, zero quality control folks, zero

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f176/...ctory-1260235/

(edit) Just read the Jalopnik article, I guess they are all the same. My, how things get around...
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:15 AM
 
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yeah its amazing. i mentioned it in a forum and bingo headline news somewhere else .lol

i saw it too ,called my wife over and said look it happened to someone else too. then i realized it was about us.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:29 AM
 
Location: El Dorado Hills, CA
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We drive our cars until they return to the earth. Most car quality ratings only look at the first few years, which I find crazy because that's when they are under warranty. I want them to look at year 6-12 or more and see how they do.

My father is a hard-core American car only person. He brags that his car has 150,000 miles and is only on the 2nd engine. My husbands toyota truck has 230,000 miles and his first engine is working just fine. I would be really surprised if my Sequoia with 80,000 miles doesn't make it to 250,000 miles too.

FYI - I've had 2 Fords, both of which had MAJOR quality issues. 1 Chevy Tahoe which was OK quality wise, but I hated the loosey goosey wat it drove and the rattles and wind noise it had.
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:48 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Soon I'll be selling my '98 chevy cavalier. It's generally a cheap car and did need some work while I've owned it, but it has driven really well and I see no reason why it can't make it to at least 200,000 miles. I'll be purchasing a '98 mercury mistique (Ford), though I'm not sure what to expect as far as reliability goes. Hopefully I can drive it until the wheels fall off.

If I were to purchase a brand new car today, it would either be a Hyundai, Toyota, or Ford.
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:29 PM
 
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Doesn't matter where they were built but vehicles built today are of terrible quality which is why I drive ones more than 30 years old. Also things made out of steel from China are just terrible in quality. Its like they don't understand metallurgy at all.
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Old 09-04-2011, 08:41 AM
 
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We drive our cars until they return to the earth. Most car quality ratings only look at the first few years, which I find crazy because that's when they are under warranty. I want them to look at year 6-12 or more and see how they do.

My father is a hard-core American car only person. He brags that his car has 150,000 miles and is only on the 2nd engine. My husbands toyota truck has 230,000 miles and his first engine is working just fine. I would be really surprised if my Sequoia with 80,000 miles doesn't make it to 250,000 miles too.

FYI - I've had 2 Fords, both of which had MAJOR quality issues. 1 Chevy Tahoe which was OK quality wise, but I hated the loosey goosey wat it drove and the rattles and wind noise it had.
The problem there is WHAT YEARS did you have those various vehicles.

Fords in recents years are getting close to the quality of toyota and don't have the big mark-up for the "greatly better quality" which on average is no longer as pronounced.

P.S. For every hardcore american car guy like your dad....there is a hard core asian car person whose preconceptions are based on vehicles made during the Clinton administration or maybe Reagan.

The bottom line is that there are a lot of good vehicles out there that vary by manufacturer and type. Anyone with tunnel vision brand loyalty in this day and age are doing themselves a disservice.
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