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Old 12-28-2011, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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In Christie's fight against public workers cashing in sick days: Are the numbers right? | Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/28/2011
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:36 PM
 
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Its funny how most people want public employees to have there benefits cut to equal the private sector, but they never talk about the disparity in pay, when compared apples to apples public employees are paid well below the private sector.

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Old 12-29-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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That isn't necessarily true, it depends on the job.

Some jobs like software developer or attorney will almost always make less money in the public sector. But you also have file clerks, admins, bus drivers, landscape, food service, lifeguards etc. that can make more money than their private sector counterparts while working towards an earlier retirement with a pension.
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Old 12-29-2011, 06:57 AM
 
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Its funny how most people want public employees to have there benefits cut to equal the private sector, but they never talk about the disparity in pay, when compared apples to apples public employees are paid well below the private sector.

bill
Also, private employees get chunky bonuses at the end of the year, private employees can take perks like going out to lunch with contractors or accepting gifts from other business acquaintances that the public employee would get fired for. Someone who left our office and went to work for a big financial company came back with the stories of the huge expensive shindig her company provided for a holiday party at a famous venue, complete with gifts for all the employees...we have to pay for our own holiday lunches and scrounge around looking for a place that will give us the cheapest deal.
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Old 12-29-2011, 08:02 AM
 
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Also, private employees get chunky bonuses at the end of the year
This isn't a true statement. Some get bonuses, some don't. Some bonues are "chunky" and some are insignificant.

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private employees can take perks like going out to lunch with contractors or accepting gifts from other business acquaintances that the public employee would get fired for.
I've never done any of these things, and submit a very small percentage of private sector employees have either.
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Old 12-30-2011, 07:41 PM
 
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Also, private employees get chunky bonuses at the end of the year, private employees can take perks like going out to lunch with contractors or accepting gifts from other business acquaintances that the public employee would get fired for. Someone who left our office and went to work for a big financial company came back with the stories of the huge expensive shindig her company provided for a holiday party at a famous venue, complete with gifts for all the employees...we have to pay for our own holiday lunches and scrounge around looking for a place that will give us the cheapest deal.
This is complete bull****.

The majority of private sector employees do not get bonuses. I can assure you of that.

You think most private sector employees work for F500 corporations?
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Old 12-30-2011, 07:48 PM
 
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That isn't necessarily true, it depends on the job.

Some jobs like software developer or attorney will almost always make less money in the public sector. But you also have file clerks, admins, bus drivers, landscape, food service, lifeguards etc. that can make more money than their private sector counterparts while working towards an earlier retirement with a pension.
Exactly right.

Not only that but for the past few years and going forward, private sector employees have been either making due with pay cuts or benefit cuts.

Factoring in benefits, you have plenty of public sector unskilled entry levels making upwards of 50k. Show me where unskilled labor in the private sector is paid all in comp of 50k? If they get half that, that is considered "good".
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Old 12-30-2011, 10:03 PM
 
Location: living on the mighty Columbia
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Local paper has been digging into the practice common among public sector employees where unused sick time can be accumulated for decades then cashed in upon retirement for mini-lottery winnings. Besides the obvious nonsensical nature of considering time given to compensate during sickness instead being paid out to someone who is perfectly healthy, additional angles include:

1. In most cases all that sick time is paid at their peak earnings rate, often maxed out in paygrade, during retirement. If they saved sick time when as an entry level clerk and retire a director 30 years later they get it all at director pay rate.

2. Pension spiking. Many pensions are calculated on average of final x years, and a sudden cash injection in the final year at max pay rate can definitely impact their lifelong pension calculation.

Retiring Arizona public employees get to cash in years of unused sick days

Sick time should be a benefit so that when an employee is sick they don't have an interruption in compensation, 144k bonus is just nuts.


So this union representative is basically saying that if they didn't have this benefit of accumulating sick time, their members would commit fraud and abuse the sick leave policy by calling in sick whether they are or not. Nice, way to represent with honor, dignity and trust.


I don't understand this pervasive attitude that because they are government employees they cannot have their compensation practices altered to reflect the correct or wiser path. Of course it would be difficult, but in the private sector it isn't taboo, why should it be avoided because it would difficult? Do they think everyone will quit their stable county govt jobs and go where exactly? Will they go to private employer that offers 5 sick days per year and makes you bring a doctor's note if they suspect abuse?


Again, you should not have to dangle rewards in front of employers to prevent abuse of a sick time policy. You dangle a stick instead.


I'm not bashing the public sector employees here (my wife is one) they are playing the cards dealt to them and have every right to, but it never ceases to amaze me the attitudes some of those in public unions and organizations have regarding benefits.

Carry on.
To spend any amount of time worrying about a most petty aspect of public salary constructs is one big waste of time. Why? Because the real theft from government is the one that allows the upper percentile to thrive under a system that rigs the entire legal system in their favor.Once you have the power of law on your side the rest is easy, make banking laws that allow the most sordid schemes to be blessed by our judiciary, make tax laws that favor the uppers to keep a larger amount of their money out of government hands, make trade laws that favor those mega corporations over their competitors.

Pennies over dollars, that's the focus of the media and right wing radio shouters who back the rich and deflect the critics who challenge them. Look at the reality in sheer dollars, most governments are corrupt, most of big business campaign money goes to insure the outcome if these schemes are discovered by the public, media will shout, "look over here", here's what you should be worried about. Petty theft among those in government is not news, but this last round of upper class Wall Street theft just about sank the collective boat of the world, and the bankers can't wait to go one more round, this is cause to worry.
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Old 12-31-2011, 07:09 PM
 
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Also, private employees get chunky bonuses at the end of the year
The chunkiest bonus I've ever been given by my private employer was an amount equal to one regular paycheck. This year, it was only 25% of a full paycheck. When a private business has an off year, the bonuses ( if any ) to rank and file employess gets reduced accordingly. Of course the CEO usually gets a BIG raise AND a BIG bonus, even if it means laying off employees to pay for it.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
Also, private employees get chunky bonuses at the end of the year
The chunkiest bonus I've ever been given by my private employer was an amount equal to one regular paycheck. This year, it was only 25% of a full paycheck. When a private business has an off year, the bonuses ( if any ) to rank and file employess gets reduced accordingly. Of course the CEO usually gets a BIG raise AND a BIG bonus, even if it means laying off employees to pay for it.
My biggest bonus ever was $300 (225 after taxes).

These stories that public employees concoct in order to justify their overly cushy job security , salaries, pensions, and benefits is getting tiring.

There are plenty of public employees worth their salt but there are even more who are not.
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