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Its not that complicated,the customers have to pay the labor costs one way or another.ever wonder way dunkin donuts is so much more for a cup of coffee then the diner?
They arent allowed to count tips at dunkin and the owners pay full minimum wage.
what happens though is that the worker who gets a low amount of tips actually loses out.
If the owner only has to pay $2.50/hr then that is what he will pay - with the rest being made up in tips.
So if the worker brings in less than $5/hr in tips he loses them!
He losses the tips but still makes $7.25.(and this depends on which state this is a worse case senorio my state for instance has different rules that would boost it and some states do not allow you to take tips from wages).
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over an 8hr shift that could add up to $40 in 'tips' disappearing into his 'wage'.
He might lose $40 into his wage but he still gets $58 for the day. Also if he is bringing in $5 an hour he is doing terribly. If 5 people tip 10% of a $20.00 meal in an hour he should have $10 in tips. I have been at tables where the waiter easily took in $20-50 worth of tip since it is expected that each member in the party tips.
When I tip I want that money to go directly into the pocket of the person I've tipped....some places have a can and tips are put in there and then divided at the end of the day amoung staff.....that's bulls##t.....I won't tip in that case.
I always ask if they have to pool because when I worked for tips, I came from a state that not only paid you the minimum wage but also let you keep all of your tips that you earned.
Imagine my surprise when I moved to another state and found that was not the case everywhere!
Since then, I've asked. And if I find out that the waiter/waitress has to "share" the pool, I give the tip in cash, tell the waiter/waitress to put it in their pocket, tell them to tell everyone else we were cheap SOBs and to keep that damn tip for him/herself.
I'm tipping MY waiter/waitress, not every other waiter/waitress that works there but didn't serve me.
He losses the tips but still makes $7.25.(and this depends on which state this is a worse case senorio my state for instance has different rules that would boost it and some states do not allow you to take tips from wages).
He might lose $40 into his wage but he still gets $58 for the day. Also if he is bringing in $5 an hour he is doing terribly. If 5 people tip 10% of a $20.00 meal in an hour he should have $10 in tips. I have been at tables where the waiter easily took in $20-50 worth of tip since it is expected that each member in the party tips.
if they arent earning enough in tips to earn what they want to earn then i guess they need a different job just like i would need a different job if my commissions sucked. if i had to live or die on my tips and i couldnt well im out of there.
if i was a minimum wage worker and pouring coffee was my skill and i wanted to do better i would seek to improve my skills at something so i could be more valuable to an employer.
in our company we have all different compensation levels for all different abilities and skill sets. we range from minimum wage for dock unloaders to 250k a year for commissioned sales people.
many of our sales people started as dock unloaders.
i want them to earn what the job is worth. the pay has to match the skill set , value as an employee, market labor conditions ,laws and knowledge.
pouring coffee in a cup shouldnt command anymore pay then the minimum amount of pay. not sure where your from but in my neck of the woods your pay is determined by all of the above.
every job function has a maximum value to it. at least tipping opens up the door so someone can earn more than minimum wage,.
if you want to champion for those earning minimum wage stop complaining about it and encourage them to improve their skill sets. you would be putting your time to better use.
there are jobs that are worth no more than the least that can be paid to do them, thats just how it is.
when you artificially try to prop something up that shouldnt be at the level like unions did eventually the house of cards falls down and collapses that industry. the auto workers saw it in their industry along with the steel workers . you cant pay above market wages anymore as competition will drive you right out of business as it has.
im not talking about sweat shop labor conditions but 35-45 bucks an hour in pay and benefits for a guy to turn a bolt was rediculious and im being conservative as estimates are as high as 70 an hour with legacy costs, medical and vacation pay.
i graduated right in the middle of the 1970's recession, the gas lines and unemployment higher then it is today. jobs were tough to find but that didnt stop me from working on my skill sets and technical knowledge while earning minimum wage answering phones for a financial company and when things settled back down i was able to find a decent job .
when what i set out to do was saturated i switched gears , went to air conditioning and refrig school and learned new skill sets.
for 40 years now i earned great pay as a motor control and factory automation specialist in my company. we are an electrical wholesaler/pump manufactuer and automation company all rolled into one.
we have jobs that range from min wage to 250k a year . each position is based on skills and value to the company.
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I mean, surely the hot flirtatious girl will get the most tips - so will have to flaunt herself to sexist customers, whilst the not-so-good looking waitressess and grunts get only a few dimes.
it's not right
Sure...the women customers are going to be impressed by the sexy waitress. Good tips are generated by good service, and pleasant and helpful personality.
You are overlooking one thing. The Owner of the restaurant is also trying to make a profit for himself and his family. One way to cut expenses is to pay as little in wages as he can. If he doesn't make what he wants, he quits the business. Then the waitresses don't make anything at all until they find another job.
What's "not RIGHT" about that?
Should we insist that the business owner go in debt, or do without, in order to fund salaries? The Owner has expenses too. He may even be trying to send children to college, pay for his home, etc.
A GOOD waiter (or waitress) can make a decent amount of money. A sorry one, won't even be able to hold down the job for long.
i want them to earn what the job is worth. the pay has to match the skill set , value as an employee, market labor conditions ,laws and knowledge.
pouring coffee in a cup shouldnt command anymore pay then the minimum amount of pay.
but here is the strange thing - because knowledge should not really be a factor - in the real world of business it is supply and demand which sets the wage rate, not knowledge.
for instance, an overabundance of learned history professors will lower their wage, but, if at the same time we have a massive shortage of semi-skilled bus drivers their pay will start to equalise, even swap positions.
You say pouring a coffee 'shouldn't' pay so much, but this is only because it is perceived as low status - hence the justification for paying less, and removing the tips.
However, this is just your subjective opinion, nothing else.
did you know that in the SU the train drivers were actually paid more than the doctors because they were valued higher - but I'm sure they had a lot less 'knowledge'.
so it's all about status, pecking order and class system here.
People will always hide behind this to justify their greed and avarice.
A good reason why we need a democratic state, based on Marxist principles.
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