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Old 02-05-2013, 07:26 AM
Status: "Trump-$500M Tax Cheat" (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: Washington, DC
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I'll also add that tens of thousands of mediocre Americans have died defending this country, making it safe for Joe Hotshot to make his millions.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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For a while the mediocre and the above-average and the rocket scientists were put in the same proverbial boat, so to speak, so I don't think this is the right generalization.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:16 AM
 
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We are at a point where a warm body is not enough,right now there are many mediocre paying jobs,$10-$15 per hour with no benefits.In todays world to survive past hand to mouth you need a wage,minimum of $20 per hour.
College today is nothing more than what high school was in my day but at a huge expense.You need it to open a door.
Shops and factories are all about computers and robotic equipment displacing workers.My brother gave me a tour of his sons factory,one man operating 5 or more pieces of equipment with him and computer working together.This was a large shop or factory producing with a minimum of well paid workers.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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The reason we have so many of the OP's "mediocre" people these days is because society and government have spent decades encouraging it. Shake off these self imposed shackles and get started getting better. Quit whining and blaming others for your own mistakes and poor choices. Stop looking for hand outs and for someone else to take care of you.
Though there are true obstacles in doing this, I agree with you. I blame it partially on the lack of stable father figures these days. With certain exceptions, good fathers teach healthy competition, self-confidence, self-discipline and exploration.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:53 AM
 
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I say that today, thanks to technology and a strong social safety net, it is easier than ever to get by. Its just that its also easier to obtain luxury, so the half that isn't able to get the luxury feels wronged. But they have nothing to complain about, they personally would be no better off at all if the other half was denied their luxuries, its simply envy.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:33 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I say that today, thanks to technology and a strong social safety net, it is easier than ever to get by. Its just that its also easier to obtain luxury, so the half that isn't able to get the luxury feels wronged. But they have nothing to complain about, they personally would be no better off at all if the other half was denied their luxuries, its simply envy.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:54 PM
 
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So who exactly is deciding that "mediocre" people should live hand to mouth? Please, don't try "free market" on me. People, very specific people, with proper names and titles decide those issues. The $10,000,000 question - who gave those people authority to decide what kind of people would eat and what kind of people would be homeless today? It's amazing, people run like rats to please invisible masters with more and more of degrees, titles and self-improved attitudes, but nobody stops to think about this very simple $10,000,000 question.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Middle Earth
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I say that today, thanks to technology and a strong social safety net, it is easier than ever to get by. Its just that its also easier to obtain luxury, so the half that isn't able to get the luxury feels wronged. But they have nothing to complain about, they personally would be no better off at all if the other half was denied their luxuries, its simply envy.
I disagree technology has made everything more expensive. Back in the day when there was less to buy and life was simple. Take a car for example sure it helps get us around but you have to pay for the car, car insurance, gas, and car repairs. If social safety nets are so great why do we still have so many homeless people and people living in poverty?
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:05 PM
 
Location: NJ
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So who exactly is deciding that "mediocre" people should live hand to mouth? Please, don't try "free market" on me. People, very specific people, with proper names and titles decide those issues. The $10,000,000 question - who gave those people authority to decide what kind of people would eat and what kind of people would be homeless today? It's amazing, people run like rats to please invisible masters with more and more of degrees, titles and self-improved attitudes, but nobody stops to think about this very simple $10,000,000 question.
The free market sets all salary levels, and it truly boils down to the cost at a fair market salary with benefits of your replacement.

The more difficult one is to replace, i.e. the fewer supply replacements per potential available position, the higher, in all probability, the median salary for the position.

Your disliking the term does not affect the fact it does set the salary levels. But all of us are free to better position ourselves given that reality; that is called competing.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:38 PM
 
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The free market sets all salary levels, and it truly boils down to the cost at a fair market salary with benefits of your replacement.
Nope, free market is an abstraction, it cannot do a squat, it doesn't exist as a thing in itself capable of the direct actions. Very specific people make decisions, abstractions don't make decisions. The question remains, why majority gave up decision power on the life & death (no exaggeration) in the hands of a tiny minority who prefer to be called an abstract name - "free market"? The second question - who trained the majority to think in the abstract terms, just like you do, even though abstracting doesn't add much to understanding, quite the opposite is true? The third question - why people who hide behind the name "free market" don't feel compelled to include needs and wishes of the majority while making all those economic decisions that can devastate entire regions. In short, why majority prefer to use all sorts of abstractions just not to see the world as it is - the world of peons and masters?

Eternal question - why minority always parasitize on and exploit the majority with little regard to majority' needs and wishes?
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