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Old 02-23-2013, 07:24 AM
 
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sad but true.. i tried to rep you but it says i gave you to many already.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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If it was as simple as working hard and doing the right thing then why do people in the 3rd world struggle all the time? Why is it that for every success story in the ghetto here that there are 1000 stories of failure even though they tried their hardest?
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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no doubt.
So everyone that doesn't succeed or rise up out of poverty was simply just too stupid? You sound like a troll or someone who has no clue.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:29 AM
 
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3rd world countries are 3rd world countries because the entire country made bad decisions or had literacy issues and fell behind the times. the emerging market countries finally came around and now the emerging emerging market countries are trying to.

you have to work smarter ,harder does not win the game.

mr rational is not wrong. growing up in a nyc housing project i saw it first hand. but i also knew if i didn't want to end up there my entire life i better think long and hard about what i am going to do about it and set a plan in place.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:32 AM
 
Location: USA
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The way things are going it seems that everyday that's passing I'm getting closer and closer to poverty.

My question here is that how hard is it to escape poverty. Because I could tell you that being in the low end of the spectrum it's hard, you need money to make more money.

And us people at the bottom have little or no money, so were at a very significant disadvantage.

It's not stupidity which has led me and others like me to this level, but luck. We try very hard, much harder then everyone else but we are still stuck.

Some people with little effort they manage to better themselves. After all the hard work of trying all the time an seeing that you haven't even made one bit of progress just nails it.
You say you and others like you have tried harder than everyone else, but, what do you mean? Tried harder at what? The generalities used tell very little. What specifically have you tried? Perhaps you tried things that would have little to do with what you want. It may not be stupidity, but, lack of knowledge. Asking for government assistance is suggested by another and voting for Socialism; however, such a vote may very well cause incentive to become less and less, so, it may not be the solution at all. The solution isn't going to be a list of requirements which will equal success after a certain number of years.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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3rd world countries are 3 rd world countries because the entire country made bad decisions or had literacy issues and fell behind the times. the emerging market countries finally came around and now the emerging emerging market countries are trying to.

you have to work smarter ,harder does not win the game.
So the 3rd world immigrants who live here in the US and are now legal who happen to be in poverty are all just dumb I guess. Smarter and harder has nothing to do with it in some cases. Nobody got a job or started a business without some kind of opportunity or help from someone along the way. Whether it be help to learn the aspects of that business from a friend or family member, or an opportunity from someone who allowed you to get a loan or open a door for you to get into a job and work your way up. Americans are really prideful and think that they did this and that and it was all because they were smarter or more hard working than the next man. Maybe this is the case for some people, lots of people actually, but you have to be a fool to think that there aren't smart and hard workers that just didn't get the opportunities.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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How to get out of poverty.... easy. First, stop reproducing like bunnies and get a job.

Once you get that job.... show up at work, get work done that you are responsible for, and maybe take on extra work (employers actually like that). Doing this will help you keep that job.

Now that you're working regular hours, getting a consistent paycheck, figure out how to live within your means. Create a budget and stick with it. Pay your electric bill and rent before you get your hair done, and manicure/pedicure.

Congratulations! You are now a responsible adult, paying your own bills, buying your own food, and not dependent on anyone else to make it from week to week.

True, this advice is mainly directed at women, but statistically there are more women (and their children) in poverty than men.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Fairfield, CT
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You have to do things in the right order. Education>job>marriage>kids. Put kids before any of those three, and you're much more likely to become mired in poverty.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:49 AM
 
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So the 3rd world immigrants who live here in the US and are now legal who happen to be in poverty are all just dumb I guess. Smarter and harder has nothing to do with it in some cases. Nobody got a job or started a business without some kind of opportunity or help from someone along the way. Whether it be help to learn the aspects of that business from a friend or family member, or an opportunity from someone who allowed you to get a loan or open a door for you to get into a job and work your way up. Americans are really prideful and think that they did this and that and it was all because they were smarter or more hard working than the next man. Maybe this is the case for some people, lots of people actually, but you have to be a fool to think that there aren't smart and hard workers that just didn't get the opportunities.
yes ,some are just dumb ,some are now successful. others made bad choices or did not have a plan for how to be succesful once they got here.

you can not generalize, . i can only say there will always be those who find a way. whether they are smarter, more driven or just lucky does not matter.

i can tell you my own story included as much luck as it did my drive and motivation.

i will tell you this, i rather be lucky then smart any day.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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Sounds real simple

How to get out of poverty.... easy. First, stop reproducing like bunnies and get a job.

I'm 34, and have no kids. I do however have to watch my nieces and nephew a lot, so lots of time goes into that as my brother is a single dad.

Once you get that job.... show up at work, get work done that you are responsible for, and maybe take on extra work (employers actually like that). Doing this will help you keep that job.

I always took on extra work and it got me known as the workhorse or someone the owners and managers could 'use'. It's in my nature to do extra work aside from my own job, but this doesn't create respect, it creates a situation where you are busting your azz more than most other employees while getting the same pay and no promotion as a more charastmatic or azz kissing employee gets moved up the ladder. This may not be true for other people who are like this that work hard, but for me this has always been the case. I am a giver and people usually take my kindness for weakness. It's just the way of the wolrd I guess.

Now that you're working regular hours, getting a consistent paycheck, figure out how to live within your means. Create a budget and stick with it. Pay your electric bill and rent before you get your hair done, and manicure/pedicure.

I have always worked regular hours, but never made over $20k a year. Living within my means has been either me helping cover the rent for my unemployed mother, or me being at a point where I wasn't actually working lots of hours due to cutbacks at work and I needed assistance financially, or me helping bail people out of situations financially through the years with what little money I had. The order of things you posted should be common sense. Living in the lower income bracket I've known this since I was a kid. I've never had a credit card and don't spend money on doing anything fun unless I'm caught up with my bills and take care of responsibilities first. So I can check this piece of advice off on your checklist now.

Congratulations! You are now a responsible adult, paying your own bills, buying your own food, and not dependent on anyone else to make it from week to week.

Well, I'm assuming you don't have isssues like the ones in my family. My family sticks together. It's just me, my brother, mom, and my nieces and nephew. At one point or another throughout the years we have all needed each other. You wouldn't even be able to relate to the situations we've faced in having to lift each other up. I wish I only had a life where I only had to worry about my own existance and finances. I probably would be on the road to success. No one can understand the complexities of what's happened in my family. Not saying other people don't have struggles, but if you only knew the timing and the situations and how they played out, maybe you could try to understand things. I have basically lived up to your checklist and yet live pay-check to pay-check. Makes no sense right? Well most people when they hear the personal stuff about my life don't relate or understand how those things could have possibly happened. It's frustrating to tell people that blame you for everything when they have no idea or cannot even relate to those kinds of situations. They look at you like, "Yeah right, sure that happened to you guys".

True, this advice is mainly directed at women, but statistically there are more women (and their children) in poverty than men.
Let me ask you now. What is your idea of poverty, and what was your experience that lead you to learn the checklist that you provided?
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