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Old 03-04-2013, 10:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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when politicians are negotiating legislation, most americans think that they are negotiating on behalf of the best interests of americans that support a certain viewpoint. however, they are really negotiating their own waste be put into the legislation. "if you give me a million for a museum in my district, ill support a million for a road in your district."
This is only part of the picture. The real money is spent according to the wish lists of "special interests" who employ lawyers to lobby government contracts. There is absolutely no one in Washington protecting the public from the bandits who rob the taxpayers by way of continually growing government requiring ever more goods and services from government vendors.
Homeland Security does not need tens of thousands of rifles, billions of bullets, and a fleet of tanks, but the suppliers of those items need to sell those goods to make profit.
Lobbying now determines government policy, and that is what is bankrupting the country.
Until we ban government bribery, we will never have honest government.

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Old 03-06-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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The actaul effect of 85 billion this year by end of year is disputed by different economist.Bu for two parties that are always talkig about the huge waste i governamtn spending they certain are defending it now. The only reason its sped as is is because they careted it and then coudn;t agree on chnaigng the spending. They long ago agree to 1.2 trillio overe ten eyars ;its just wher to cut and the pace of the cuts over over teh eyars. its alos as both describe only a down payment.Even then its assumes that over ten eyars we will see no reveue increase for GDP which if they think that is worse thqan the cuts for the economy.Its like ask any citizen how much they need to live them basing pay on that. Of course they will want alot.

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Old 03-06-2013, 01:50 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The actaul effect of 85 billion this year by end of year is disputed by different economist.Bu for two parties that are always talkig about the huge waste i governamtn spending they certain are defending it now. The only reason its sped as is is because they careted it and then coudn;t agree on chnaigng the spending. They long ago agree to 1.2 trillio overe ten eyars ;its just wher to cut and the pace of the cuts over over teh eyars. its alos as both describe only a down payment.Even then its assumes that over ten eyars we will see no reveue increase for GDP which if they think that is worse thqan the cuts for the economy.Its like ask any citizen how much they need to live them basing pay on that. Of course they will want alot.
you posted something equally hard to read recently and i assumed you were drinking. you need to slow down a bit.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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you do realize that your "absurd" list doesnt really amount to much right?
That's just a small sampling.

In the private world, business contract consulting firms to come and review the efficiency of their operations in all departments. Such unbiased views often lead to more efficient or cost-effective ways to operate, resulting in cost-savings for the business.

Government doesn't do that. What government needs to do is spend $1 Million or so on a study to see how efficient government is, except the final report would probably be classified Top Secret COSMIC ATOMAL, No Forn, Exclusive, Eyes Only for "national security" reasons (snicker) and it would be 75 years before it was reviewed for declassification.

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Fact is money spent for useful or not so useful means generally provides jobs and economic activity.
So?

If any of that government spending was of any value, then the Private Sector would have already spent the money on it, because with Capitalist Property Theory, private individuals are more responsive to the needs and demands of the Market, and will shift Capital immediately if warranted.

A person, a group, a group of people, a group of groups or whatever would put up the money in the Private Sector to fund those shenanigans, if they merited such spending.

The fact that the Private Sector did not put up the money, should tell you that such spending is pointless.

It doesn't create jobs. If you want jobs created, then stop taking people's money and spending it on useless feel good stuff and allow people to spend that money in the economy so that it does create jobs.

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Yes, extremely difficult to figure out which individual or party is responsible for anything on that absurd list.
Who cares which party is responsible? The fact that it happens at all is reprehensible.

Sequestering....

Mircea
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:18 AM
 
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These aren't even cuts in spending. It's just decreasing what they wanted to spend, there are no real spending cuts being made. Unemployment handouts, food stamps, number of people on disability are all going up so no one really needs to be worried about the so-called poor being hurt.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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Uh, they just halted the tuition benefits for the Armed Forces vets from Iraq & Afghanistan. Of course, the Boy King didn't cut his golf tour w/Tiger or Moochelle's social staff or itenerary. No congress members are cutting their pay or benefits.

Let them eat cake !!!"
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:43 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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This is very simple.
The government lulled people into a sense of wellbeing that they could deal with the ramifications of decimating the manufacturing segment of our economy in order to make huge profit for corporations.
They did this thru entitlements (private and public) that increased the debt exponentially. They can no longer keep up the ruse, and now must begin a very long process of cutting the entitlements that people have come to depend on both for sustenance and for the health of the economy.
It is called "austerity" and will be with us for many years to come.
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