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Old 03-10-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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Glad that is working for you and you found your boat and destination.
Personally I would be glad to work in the US. But that would actually require a political group to go up against Big Business and take away their benefit for hiring outside the US and put much higher restrictions on visas (as Europe and the Middle East do).
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:22 PM
 
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Personally I would be glad to work in the US. But that would actually require a political group to go up against Big Business and take away their benefit for hiring outside the US and put much higher restrictions on visas (as Europe and the Middle East do).
Why can't you just compete against them fair and square? Your ability against theirs? What field are you in? In some fields it is supply and demand. Many of them are being educated in our universities and encouraged to stay as we have a brain shortage in key fields.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:41 PM
 
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I am an immigrant, would had been able to retire at age ~35 in my country of origin, but left at age 31. I came here for political freedom and individual rights. There are other countries that we could have gone to, but most of them are not so accepting of immigrants even if you assimilate. I have had financial hardship, but my kids are enjoying all the liberties provided by this country.

Point is, we don't all come here for economic reasons.
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:26 PM
 
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(1)Why can't you just compete against them fair and square? (2)Your ability against theirs?(3) What field are you in? (4) In some fields it is supply and demand.(5) Many of them are being educated in our universities and encouraged to stay as we have a brain shortage in key fields.
(1)(a) Read the requirements for H1B and L1 visas.(b) Most people who come in on these visas are paid much higher than their originating country, but 60-80% of what a US citizen is making in the field. large companies can abuse their power over them more easily and these employees will not complain about out of fear of being terminated and thus having to leave the country. (c) We are also competing against ourselves due to American students are graduating at such high debt loads that they are taking jobs at lower payrates just to have a job.(3) Highly specialized part of IT. (4) Not really. From speaking to my American counterparts, they are hiring people with lower skill levels at lower payscales and then sending them to school to learn whats needed. The clincher here is that they are having them sign a contract that if they leave for any reason for lets say 5 years they must reimburse the company the entire fees for the course and any other fees related to them. So now the company gets a person with the skills needed at a lower payscale and also get a tax deduction (similar to the two that we can deduct of our US taxes related to education expenses). (5) (a) Correct many of them have been educated in the US. But the difference is that the countries they are coming from are Socialist at some level, that after giving some service to their originating countries and passing certain exams their originating countries subsidizes their education. These people are not coming here directly. They return to their home countries and work for a certain amount of years in their fields. At the expiration of their requirements they can look outside of their home countries.(b) To be educated in the US requires one type of visa which does not allow them to work.(c) Another direction that is also being used, is a slight of hand with education visas. They stay in the US still taking some type of coursework and a XYZ company subsidizes them (thru a backdoor grant) by paying for housing and paying them a stipend instead of a salary. I actually lost a job at a University to this in the late 80's. Why pay me X dollars when they can give a free education, free housing and a minor stipend to someone else? Again quantity vs quality.
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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What you are missing is most of those "skilled" immigrants which number around 70,000 per year arrived in the US under H1B and L1 visas. They were either brought in at below the prevailing wage (we are not talking min wage BS, we are talking mid 5 figures vs 6 figure salaries) or brought in under contract for a company that has no physical presence in the US. Millions didn't miss the boat, they were placed in a boat with a hole in it. This is why, I a highly skilled American citizen who resides in the US, work in UAE. In the UAE they want quality vs quantity and are willing to pay for quality workmanship.
For some American companies, low salary is a good skill. Thats the boat they want.
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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Why can't you just compete against them fair and square? Your ability against theirs? What field are you in? In some fields it is supply and demand. Many of them are being educated in our universities and encouraged to stay as we have a brain shortage in key fields.
Our Universities behave like greedy corporations. All they want is out-state tuition from international students and slave wages Ph.D. and Post Docs from India, China, Korea.
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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Some good posts makes you wonder if the American company seeking engineers would prefer a 4.0 GPA from a Indian/Chinese University or a 2.2 GPA from one of our state schools? My hunch is they would really like a 3.5 plus GPA from a top tier American University.
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Some good posts makes you wonder if the American company seeking engineers would prefer a 4.0 GPA from a Indian/Chinese University or a 2.2 GPA from one of our state schools? My hunch is they would really like a 3.5 plus GPA from a top tier American University.

In all my years of working, I have never had a company request my GPA, a copy of my transcripts and come to think of it never asked for proof of actual graduation from a University.
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:43 PM
 
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In all my years of working, I have never had a company request my GPA, a copy of my transcripts and come to think of it never asked for proof of actual graduation from a University.
Does that mean your position didn't need a degree? After your first job perhaps not but for your first job?
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Old 03-10-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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Does that mean your position didn't need a degree? After your first job perhaps not but for your first job?
If we could just pick and choose the exact classes we needed for a career, then no one would actually need a degree. But thats not how our society works. Nearly all careers need a title and a bunch of letters following it. After that they need certifications and exams. First real job was as an Actuary and as far as I remember all they wanted were the certificates for three exams.
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