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Old 11-23-2007, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Sure. If you look at what the masses of asses are doing at any given time, it is usually the not best path to be on. Along the lines of what I think you are saying maps closely to the traditional Amish -- not that I hear you are saying black buggies, quaint bonnets, and using ye and thee in your speech -- but rather that comsumptive behavior is not a smart path.

If you look at the economic portion of the Amish model -- No debt, spend less than make, take care of your family first, share with your community and neighbors as you can . . . all of these lead to wealth for individuals and the community at large. From what I follow, the Amish are the wealthiest group of Americans. Not that worship of wealth is worthy goal -- it just can be used a functional measure of if a method works. And you do not see them running their mouths about buy this, buy that.

On the other hand, the consumer debtor portion of America are the greatest debtors the world has ever seen. So how do you think that is goinig to turn out? Like you mentioned -- Halliburton -- was headed into bankruptcy under Cheney as CEO, and was only bailed out by the political corruption that allowed them to escape liability for injured workers, and then the kickback-no bid contracts for the Iraqicide. The folks leading US are economic idiots.
PhilipT, I have to wait before giving you another + rep!. Thinking outside the box of the masses- that seems to be the smart way to go.

Where I currently live (for now-lol) the avg salary is max 30-50k yet idiots drive Lincoln Navigators to the mall. My friend bought a huge truck (dont know what model-lol- I am not into trucks, I'm a girl-lol) anyway he works at a garden Center and cant even afford the weekly gas to get to work!!!lol- how idiotic is that?
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Old 11-23-2007, 04:02 PM
 
Location: in drifts of snow wherever you go
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Regular gas was $3.40 a gallon today. Premiums was $3.70.
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Old 11-23-2007, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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wow!! I saved alot of money today staying home.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:38 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Go diesel. It IS the stop gap for what can be done in the short term. Diesel has got such a bad rap , that it will take a big sell job. Look towards Europe, and Japan....they know.......
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes NH.
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Go diesel. It IS the stop gap for what can be done in the short term. Diesel has got such a bad rap , that it will take a big sell job. Look towards Europe, and Japan....they know.......
A lot could be done in the US with diesel technology in passanger cars. The Volkswagen diesels were very good in the past few years prior to their exit for clean diesel fuel. The new VW diesels are scheduled to arrive in 2008. Reportedly Honda is working on a diesel for the US market. Jeep is supposed to have their new diesel here already but I haven't seen any on the lots.

There is a great opportunity for a small diesel for compact-sized trucks. A nice 2.4 turbo diesel would be more than adequate for a Tacoma, Ranger, S-10, etc. It would provide better mpg and torque for hauling and towing.
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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I had a Mercedes diesel- 20.00 for two weeks. Best thing in the world.In Paris they use these for metro/cab driving. They are smart.

I never recall seeing a huge boat/Navigator being driven in Europe- only the US are consumers still so stupid as to buy such things.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Denver
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No more. Over 90.00 a barrel; the last time oil was this high was in 1980.

I am looking towards living in a city again, and no longer will be buying gas, ever.
Good luck....I am sure when you buy a 2.00 loaf of bread...maybe .30 cents of that is for diesel fuel.

Your always going to buy gas...unless you make everything.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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You could even rig a car to run on coal...or old tires!
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Old 11-24-2007, 06:01 AM
 
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Actually, I have done the math and living in a mid size city with good transportation is less expensive than owning a vehicle. I live in a small city with poor transit, but can still walk to work - 1.5 miles each way; go shopping and so on. I got gas on September 30 and again last week - almost two months on 10 gallons. I will be moving to a larger city when I retire, sure homes are higher, but I really don't need a McMansion. I can take the bus or light rail. Hopefully Flexcar or a counterpart will be coming. I don't see where sitting in traffic is particularly freeing up my time. Urban crime, like suburban and rural crime depends on where one lives.
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Old 11-24-2007, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Good luck....I am sure when you buy a 2.00 loaf of bread...maybe .30 cents of that is for diesel fuel.

Your always going to buy gas...unless you make everything.
Bread we buy in the US is 3.99- who gets that money???????????

Id rather pay for socialism
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