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Old 11-25-2007, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes NH.
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Bread we buy in the US is 3.99- who gets that money???????????

Id rather pay for socialism
What kind of bread are you buying? Socialism is full of corruption. France is a mess. Over 25% unemployment, classism, elitism, and racism. Count your blessings. As many imperfections as the US has it is far more diverse and accepting than any other major nation.

Capitalism is far superior to socialism or communism where the privileged and the powerful give the people NO CHANCE of self-improvement.
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Old 11-25-2007, 09:30 AM
 
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What kind of bread are you buying? Socialism is full of corruption. France is a mess. Over 25% unemployment, classism, elitism, and racism. Count your blessings. As many imperfections as the US has it is far more diverse and accepting than any other major nation.

Capitalism is far superior to socialism or communism where the privileged and the powerful give the people NO CHANCE of self-improvement.
With ruffles and waving of little flags.

Gotta call some serious bs on this. No fan of Socialism or Communism, but the US is system is full of corruption, classism, elitism, and racisim, as well. Unemployment here is harder to guage since the Feds started lying on the stats.

But if you are confusing Capitalism with Free Markets -- they are very different things in practice. The US does not have Free Markets or much of anything like it. Capitalism, as practiced, exists to serve Capital. Hence the name. Capital is money -- wealth -- that is what it is designed to serve. It sucks it up to the top end with little or no concern for any of the other results on communities or people.

We do not have Free Markets because of the Corporate Capitalists. In their goal of serving their wealth they seek to restrict markets and limit competition. Any market they enter experiences reduced services and higher costs to the end users.

Take the medical field for example. Once it was an open market service to aid people and society in general. Since it has been targeted by the Corporate Capitalists as a profit center, the prices have went through the roof, services are limited, and people are herded into Medical Insurance (scam) industry (again more Corporate Capitalists) and restrictions AGAINST Free Markets (e.g., limiting Medical School admissions and low cost phramco options) are bribed into place.

It is now to the point the that Medical Costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy of real people in America. Compare that to the rest of the industrialized world.
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Old 11-25-2007, 04:03 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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I am all for a free market , an open entry,....but , with a level playing field. Thats , why we need Government. So many have been duped into believing the US is so much better , than other first world countries. Tis not so. The destruction of the middle class in this country , is , proof enough.
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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With ruffles and waving of little flags.

Gotta call some serious bs on this. No fan of Socialism or Communism, but the US is system is full of corruption, classism, elitism, and racisim, as well. Unemployment here is harder to guage since the Feds started lying on the stats.

But if you are confusing Capitalism with Free Markets -- they are very different things in practice. The US does not have Free Markets or much of anything like it. Capitalism, as practiced, exists to serve Capital. Hence the name. Capital is money -- wealth -- that is what it is designed to serve. It sucks it up to the top end with little or no concern for any of the other results on communities or people.

We do not have Free Markets because of the Corporate Capitalists. In their goal of serving their wealth they seek to restrict markets and limit competition. Any market they enter experiences reduced services and higher costs to the end users.

Take the medical field for example. Once it was an open market service to aid people and society in general. Since it has been targeted by the Corporate Capitalists as a profit center, the prices have went through the roof, services are limited, and people are herded into Medical Insurance (scam) industry (again more Corporate Capitalists) and restrictions AGAINST Free Markets (e.g., limiting Medical School admissions and low cost phramco options) are bribed into place.

It is now to the point the that Medical Costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy of real people in America. Compare that to the rest of the industrialized world.
Cant argue with that! ...and yes- at the health food store bread is 3.99 I dont eat Wonder bread for 99 cents- don't eat E. coli tainted meat either, thanks. All this keeps happening, wtf is the FDA doing
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:25 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Cant argue with that! ...... All this keeps happening, wtf is the FDA doing
Collect money and pass 'Go', just the Monopoly game of having a government job. ... Just do the minimum to collect your check, and DON'T ask questions
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:36 AM
 
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You might have this application a little askew -- If they are boycotting (i.e., not buying) they do not need to be directly concerned about the price.

They would be saving a ton of money directly by simply not buying it. Does not matter whether everyone or no one else buys it. They win with every gallon they do not buy.


The goal of most of these boycotts is to "stick it to the man" and force them to lower prices.

If there is no end goal for your boycott (which is odd, because boycotts almost ALWAYS have some intention, usually to lower price, force a certain behavior, or illeviate a tax), then go for it.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:05 AM
 
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The goal of most of these boycotts is to "stick it to the man" and force them to lower prices.

If there is no end goal for your boycott (which is odd, because boycotts almost ALWAYS have some intention, usually to lower price, force a certain behavior, or illeviate a tax), then go for it.
I am looking at the useful application (end goal) of the OP's concept is to look at folks who engage in such a boycott as a deliberate "life choice" sort of thing. It seems MUCH smarter than continuing the Race to the Bottom (of the world's oil wells) of paying more and more and eventually being out-bid from the game as prices creep higher as demand continues to outstrip supply.

In the end, everyone will be forced off of oil as the price continues upward. That is a losing game all the way until you are bumped out. It seems like the smart folks would head off of oil early -- before they are forced off it.

Only way to be a winner in this game is to be an energy producer, or to choose not to play the musical chairs oil game.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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A true free market is always the best solution. I love the above illustration of the medical field. It shows how Government regulation and subsidies have turned a formerly competitive service industry into a complete disaster. Capitalism works well as long as capital is spread throughout the economy. When capital becomes concentrated through Government regulation that's when problems are evident. Monopolies and cartels exist only withthe support of Government.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:48 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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A true free market is always the best solution. I love the above illustration of the medical field. It shows how Government regulation and subsidies have turned a formerly competitive service industry into a complete disaster. Capitalism works well as long as capital is spread throughout the economy. When capital becomes concentrated through Government regulation that's when problems are evident. Monopolies and cartels exist only withthe support of Government.
You are correct , to a point..........Government should represent the public as a whole, and , therefore should serve as a stop gap for big business. IE; monopolies . A free market can not exist , when monopolies,cartels , and corporate lobbyist, influence the marketplace. Yes , Government IS the avenue used by big business. There is nothing better for your bottom line , than when Government " mandates" , in favor of your corporate agenda. It is a double edged sword.....
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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I am looking at the useful application (end goal) of the OP's concept is to look at folks who engage in such a boycott as a deliberate "life choice" sort of thing. It seems MUCH smarter than continuing the Race to the Bottom (of the world's oil wells) of paying more and more and eventually being out-bid from the game as prices creep higher as demand continues to outstrip supply.

In the end, everyone will be forced off of oil as the price continues upward. That is a losing game all the way until you are bumped out. It seems like the smart folks would head off of oil early -- before they are forced off it.

Only way to be a winner in this game is to be an energy producer, or to choose not to play the musical chairs oil game.
Yes- I choose not to---.

Also I could care less about "sticking it to the man" as another post mentions- lol- if I were that embittered I would have to be republican.
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