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Old 07-13-2013, 11:17 AM
 
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The current system of high taxation and severe regulation obviously isn't working.
It doesn't exist. It's a figment of a deluded imagination. At the bottom line, US corporate taxes are modest to non-existent across many key industries and heaviest for those who can most easily afford them. And these regulations that you lament merely deliver producers from the evil of an array of anti-social, anti-human practices. This is a good thing to all non-villains.
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:26 AM
 
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Study after study shows that having children outside of a binding relationship means a very tough economic row to hoe for mother and child alike.
Like Paris Hilton would be plunged into poverty by having a child. What you mistake for causation is mere correlation and it is an economic one at that.

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I don't care how many heartwarming anecdotes you read about in the newspaper. For every single mom who raises her child to be a productive and emotionally healthy adult, there are dozens upon dozens who struggle.
ALL of them struggle unless they are in fact Paris Hilton. Being a single parent is an extreme hardship that gets dumped on top of any others that you might have. When will you start looking for ways to help people trapped in such a situation instead of pointing stupid fingers at them?
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:39 AM
 
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I watched the show, and the message I got from it is that the families have done not well financially since the early 1980s - thirty years ago! However, the white family has fared worse due to family instability. The black family stuck together through thick and thin, and came out for the better.
What many people might have gotten out of the program but are adamantly refusing to face up to is that all the rot they lay off about how the poor need only more spunk and more drive and more hard work and more determination and more education to find the path to prosperity in America is a bunch of TOTAL CRAP and has been for a very long time. These people did it all. They believed. They tried everything. They put their hearts and souls and wallets into it. And it failed. As it has for uncounted millions. Being chewed up and spat out by the system -- THAT'S the essence of America today, whether people want to face up to it or not.
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:45 AM
 
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I believe she was driving an Impala. And I wouldn't doubt that her family has awful money management skills. (Just like most people---poor as anything and still smoking cigarettes, which are very expensive depending on where you live.) I guarantee she has all of those things on credit.
As in the program, the reason poor people put things on expensive credit is that they don't have any cash or any way to get cash anytime soon. If you give desperate people only one option, they will take it. Let that be your lesson for today.
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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It doesn't exist. It's a figment of a deluded imagination. At the bottom line, US corporate taxes are modest to non-existent across many key industries and heaviest for those who can most easily afford them. And these regulations that you lament merely deliver producers from the evil of an array of anti-social, anti-human practices. This is a good thing to all non-villains.

The American middle class is having a bigger and bigger bite taken out of their paychecks every year due to ever-increasing local, state, and federal taxes. When the politiciansd keep raising taxes, what do you think is going to happen?
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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proving that profits dont really depend on exploiting anybnody.

That assumes an employer makes more money year-after-year. When a company loses money, like GM and Chrysler did recently and had to declare bankruptcy, where does the money come from to pay worker's wages and benefits? if you ever ran your own business, you would understand.
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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I think too many forget the effects of colonialism; then WWII and now long they held many countries back. Now mu8ch workers there suffered while us and other were the manufacturers to the world .WWII made US dominate. I really don't see now anyone can have thought that it was going to last forever and only US workers could do manufacturing jobs or had some right to dominate. When one looks at education we haven't really even competed in that to stay at the top of the heap. Basically what we are seeing is a equalization of workers in the world more and more as they have the industrialization to compete. of course workers who have to compete at the bottom will earn less here and more in those countries. We actually see many European countries where they have taxed and borrow to keep getting more from less. Many have actually become reliant on 40% of population for their GDP and now they can't provide it. Of course the poor countries want a better life and Corporations more and more rely on them doing so and buying more of what they make. Its more a case of the rising of other economies to compete while US is growing less competitive especially in higher tech jobs needing education. They natural gain a bigger share of the profit from their work while western world decline in its share. But still those people who invest can make even part of that and now days those who have education that can innovate in US make even more. Still most US workers do very well even compared to their parents in actual life style. As more and more become dependent on fewer and fewer that will continue to change; sadly. Just the aging in western world and others will mean that. We may see a pause from cheaper energy than most of the world but its going to still continue.
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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Or the much more firmly established concept of global warming.
With Peak Oil, there is a limit to growth. The resources will not be there like in the past to allow for meaningful production of actual goods that will bring jobs back. James Howard Kunstler presents this well in his weekly columns. His vision of the future is one of a return to an agrarian culture and the walkable town. His writings go on about the failure of suburbia, at least from here on. They were the biggest misallocation of resources.
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Old 07-13-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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The American middle class is having a bigger and bigger bite taken out of their paychecks every year due to ever-increasing local, state, and federal taxes. When the politiciansd keep raising taxes, what do you think is going to happen?
Bigger and bigger bites do not result from taxes being pushed to their lowest levels in sixty years. Revenue shortages and diminishing public services do.
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Old 07-13-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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NEVER, EVER place blame where it lies.....big government.

Those families never had a chance.

If you asked them if they preferred low corporate tax rates which would bring business back to America, or taxing businesses out of America, which would they prefer?

Why do lefties continually vote against their best interests?

They're told by obama that it's not "fair" that businesses should ever pay a low tax rate, while millions lose their jobs due to these policies.

Businesses are NOT in business to "make enough" or "pay fair wages". They simply want to earn money, and will vote with their feet to places that they can capitalize on profits.

Make it worthwhile for a business to stay in your city, state, country and good paying jobs will follow.

The current system of high taxation and severe regulation obviously isn't working.
You didn't watch the doc did you?
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