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I can't help but think karma's gonna bite the welfare-hating, zero-empathy, self-righteous high-and-mighty folks in the butt.
its not welfare hating, its opposing excessive welfare and a welfare system that encourages more and more welfare usage rather than people being self sufficient.
i don't want anyone to starve, im fine with feeding people who need help. but should someone being fed by taxpayers be eating better than the people paying for their food? i don't understand why we don't limit food assistance recipients to the basic cheap foods that aren't just cheap but healthier than almost anything they are choosing. oats, beans, rice, whole chicken, potatoes, etc. that's great food and its very inexpensive.
eggs are .89 per dozen at aldi this week, that's 7.4 cents per egg. i buy white bread at aldi for .85 per loaf. it makes about 10 sandwiches, that's 8.5 cents for the bread component of my sandwiches. you can make a sandwich with toasted white bread and 2 eggs for about 24 cents. it would have about 300 life sustaining calories with a nice blend of carbs, protein and fat.
at any given time i know whats cheapest in what store by me.
at Costco, you pay about .84 per pound for quaker rolled oats. there are 5 cups in a pound. 300 calories in a cup. perfect. so a person on food stamps should eat 1 pound of rolled oats per day, .84 cost per day. that means they can live on $25.20 per month.
stores I regularly shop at: shoprite, pathmark, target, aldi, Costco
I get coupons online, pick the ones im interested in and print them. I go through the weekly circulars from each store and write down the best deals on foods id be interested in. i always have an idea of the coupons i have and try to see which ones will give me the best deal. you can get stuff free now and then and other stuff dirt cheap.
you may have ailments that are affecting your ability to survive. but from a food perspective, you can live on $25 a month and you would be way healthier than you are now by switching to the oats diet.
I'll reply one more time here on this thread, out of due respect for your helpful reply. Thanks for that. I do prefer to advance on to the one I mentioned last post. Our discussion is starting to get "off subject" for this thread's conversation, so, I wish there was a way we could transfer the last replies or ours to the other thread. Any way... Surprised you haven't participated in that one yet, you have good suggestions. One thing though, If you were certified in nutrition, specializing in AutoImmune diseases, such as Lupus, you would then not be stating that I would be way healthier now by switching to the oats diet. I am healthier than I was a year or two ago, due to a few changes in diet, mostly getting off steroids, and using Plaquenil for flareups. Still, even the meds make one sick. (That's for another subject area), anyway, As a matter of fact, rolled oats is one item I need to eat in small doses (not only amount wise, but infrequently), for it contributes to flareups. Also, Avenin, the protein found in Oats can be toxic to people that have Celiac disease along with Lupus (not uncommon). Steel cut is a little better, and I have to be careful to check if there are no traces of wheat. I have to stay away from most wheat, grains, (unfortunately) that have Gluten (Lupus enemy). Here is a very small list of suggestions what I am supposed to eat suggested by doctors:
Foods You Should Add to Your Lupus Diet
These foods can be helpful for people living with lupus:
Foods high in iron. Eating leafy green vegetables, fish, and lean meat like liver can help offset your risk of anemia. Many breakfast cereals are also fortified with iron.
Fish. Omega-3 fatty acids, which are found in fish like salmon, mackerel, sardines, and herring, contain natural anti-inflammatory substances and may help reduce swelling and inflammation associated with systemic lupus. Your lupus diet should include plenty of fish.
Antioxidants. Many fruits and vegetables are high in antioxidants, which are natural healers. Berries, apricots, and sweet potatoes are especially good sources.
It's a bummer that SOME specialized diet items expected of me to eat, cost a bit higher. Have to stick to purchasing items that are Gluten Free just to mention one - there are more.... Geez, for example berries, (and I have a passion for blueberries, and they are great antioxidants), cost SO much for a tiny container. Its a challenge, but do manage the budget, but still end up having flare ups because I purchased items that would stretch for the month instead of paying a little more for what I am supposed to get. Being homebound, I am kind of stuck going to one grocery store (and their prices are high) using the senior bus that my apts provide each week, which is a blessing, but I would love to find a way to shop at different grocery stores, such as Costco, or be able to buy in bulk, especially with my restricted Lupus Diet, find some place that sells fresh foods that are pesticide free or organic that I can afford. I miss going to roadside produce stands.
Well! today, I went to a store pretty far away, and my neighbor was willing to take me, I paid $42 for a whole lot of food that would have cost me anywhere between $75 to about $90 (depending on sales) at the store the senior bus takes us to. I am so happy!!! Where one shops is one of several factors in what groceries can cost. Just have proof in my receipts alone! I need to switch to the other thread to learn and support. I am done here. Maybe we will debate/support? each other on " $150/month Budget for groceries. How do you do it? " If you want to reply to this, please go there. This topic may benefit others over there.
I can't help but think karma's gonna bite the welfare-hating, zero-empathy, self-righteous high-and-mighty folks in the butt.
i'm fine with having empathy for people. the people that through horrible lucky temporarily end up on food stamps etc and are working to get their life on track.
what's karma gonna do to those that are self entitled, not trying to better themselves,in some cases lying to get benefits, as well as those families who live off the govt for generations and effectively stealing?
you realize that steel cut oats and rolled oats are the same exact thing? its just the preparation that's a little different. i think its very funny that someone out there managed to convince people (including people that think they are qualified to give advice to other people) that steel cut oats are somehow healthier than plain old rolled oats. im not going to comment on the specific requirements of someone with a serious illness, but I would be careful listening to someone with a nutrition degree.
oh and there is no actual evidence that antioxidants are beneficial. they could just as easily be harmful to the people that are counting on them the most. I also find it funny that so many people think its a scientific fact that antioxidants are healthy. theres no reason to believe that's the case.
http://blogs.webmd.com/cancer/2013/0...ioxidants.html
"Alas, a world-renowned cancer researcher now says it may not be that simple. In fact, he suggests that taking antioxidants may actually be harmful for some cancer patients. They may actually prevent chemo drugs and radiation from killing cancer cells."
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I prefer the taste/texture of steel cut oats to rolled oats. They're still dirt cheap bulk at WinCo. It's like 90/cents per pound vs 70 cents, something like that. Either way, cheaper than the 1-minute Quaker rolled outs, possibly even cheaper than the store-brand 1-minute oats. And really, 20 cents a pound is nothing to me. Similarly I buy the $3.88 loaf hippy wholewheat bread since I like that better than $1 mostly air white bread. Unlike with oats, they are nutritionally different. And even with oats, especially if you're diabetic, there's a big difference between the instant and conventional (rolled, steel, stone) oats.
you realize that steel cut oats and rolled oats are the same exact thing? its just the preparation that's a little different. i think its very funny that someone out there managed to convince people (including people that think they are qualified to give advice to other people) that steel cut oats are somehow healthier than plain old rolled oats. im not going to comment on the specific requirements of someone with a serious illness, but I would be careful listening to someone with a nutrition degree.
oh and there is no actual evidence that antioxidants are beneficial. they could just as easily be harmful to the people that are counting on them the most. I also find it funny that so many people think its a scientific fact that antioxidants are healthy. theres no reason to believe that's the case.
Rethinking the Role of Antioxidants « Cancer
"Alas, a world-renowned cancer researcher now says it may not be that simple. In fact, he suggests that taking antioxidants may actually be harmful for some cancer patients. They may actually prevent chemo drugs and radiation from killing cancer cells."
I asked you before and politely NOT to correct or criticize. I have to live with my illness, NOT you, and I go with what nutritionists and my specialists as a team suggest, inform and work with me - we have tired many variations of foods and this is has been the most beneficial for MY symptoms, NOT your healthy nutrition. YOU are not an expert. You are not a doctor or nutritionist. You are a internet reference couch student. Enough said. I am so fed up with your superior knowledge attitude and to correct something that works for a person with illness is just plain ignorant. I have had it with you and considering your credibility by what I read you like on your profile. You need help. I don't care if my reply is removed from a moderator or not, as long as you get to read this first. If not, it will go into your private message. You need to learn when to be a support member and when to keep your mouth shut.
I asked you before and politely NOT to correct or criticize. I have to live with my illness, NOT you, and I go with what nutritionists and my specialists as a team suggest, inform and work with me - we have tired many variations of foods and this is has been the most beneficial for MY symptoms, NOT your healthy nutrition. YOU are not an expert. You are not a doctor or nutritionist. You are a internet reference couch student. Enough said. I am so fed up with your superior knowledge attitude and to correct something that works for a person with illness is just plain ignorant. I have had it with you and considering your credibility by what I read you like on your profile. You need help. I don't care if my reply is removed from a moderator or not, as long as you get to read this first. If not, it will go into your private message. You need to learn when to be a support member and when to keep your mouth shut.
I agree with your basic premise regarding specialized diets, but posting on a forum and not expecting feedback in the form of disagreement is ludicrous. Plus, isn't all information worth considering? Maybe he considers that "supportive".
But, the real point that CaptainNJ is making is that some people misuse their public assistance. I don't know exactly how pervasive this is. Or what can be done about it. Actually, I think it is over emphasized, as opposed to all the good these programs actually do to alleviate suffering.
PS, I have a close family member who has Celiac disease and is extremely defensive about the entire issue, almost to the point of irrationality. I have noticed this in several other people with nutritional conditions. Maybe because some people don't take them seriously, but it only makes them appear a little nutty.
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Geez, for example berries, (and I have a passion for blueberries, and they are great antioxidants), cost SO much for a tiny container. Its a challenge, but do manage the budget, but still end up having flare ups because I purchased items that would stretch for the month instead of paying a little more for what I am supposed to get. Being homebound, I am kind of stuck going to one grocery store (and their prices are high) using the senior bus that my apts provide each week, which is a blessing, but I would love to find a way to shop at different grocery stores, such as Costco, or be able to buy in bulk, especially with my restricted Lupus Diet, find some place that sells fresh foods that are pesticide free or organic that I can afford. I miss going to roadside produce stands. 
