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You first need to figure out what exactly you belive in.
If you think that Government can make all the decisions for you, take care of you better than you can take care of yourself, Make sure that you have plenty to eat, Make sure that when you are sick or hurt you will have insurance, and if you think that they can do that for everyone of us then vote Democrat.
On the other hand, if you think that you have the ability to think for your self, make decisions for yourself, take care of yourself, fund your own retirment, pay for your own insurance, and if you think like many that the Citizens of this great nation of ours can also do the same then vote Republican.
we need to stop asking what can my country do for me and remember the words of a great American Democrat President "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
Load the two dozen or so reckless Republican 'baggers in the House onto a bus ... then drive it directly into the Grand Canyon...
.....and this is why I likely will NEVER be able to identify with the Liberal Progressives...far too many insane juveniles like this in that group. My money says that if it actually happened, this guy (and many like him) would actually be cheering at the TV as it happens instead of being horrified that we just brutally murdered 24 or so United States Citizens simply for disagreeing with other people.
I've been wondering when the tea party would finally push the GOP party bus over the edge of the cliff. This is increasingly looking like that time might be here and now. Boehner's not a terrible guy, but he's completely lost control of his party. I had thought up until now that Obama was looking the weaker leader - he appeared to be during those previous fiscal cliff wranglings. But now, Boehner's lost footing, and I don't see how he gets out of this one. Ted Cruz pushed him and the party into a corner. If Cruz thinks that he's just going to be the crazy guy now but get the party's blessing later, he might need to re-think that. If they can work out a deal and somehow get out of this and not lose too much ground in the mid-terms next year, he might at least still have some clout in the party. But if the Repubs lose in 2014, the GOP leadership in the Senate will probably do whatever they can to crush any future candidacies he might entertain.
I seriously fear the future of the citizens of this country who never paid attention during classes in government or social studies - especially when the Constitution and what it is was being discussed. The educational system has indoctrinated them and lulled them to sleep; I should say into a state of apathy.
Article 1, section 8 defines clearly the powers given to the legislature- the house of representatives in particular. The senate plays a minor part of legislation.
Article 2 defines the powers given to the executive and is very short. Ergo...the president doesn't have as much power as he thinks. Congress can shut him down if they want.
Article 3 defines the judicial and is the shortest of all 3 articles defining powers given to the federal government. Their powers are extremely limited but since they are appointed for life - bad move by the framers - by a president of either liberal or conservative mindset they tend to interpret laws that need no interpretation in bad form. Abortion is a prime example and should never been brought before them. Like abortion, PPACA is not a federal concern - see 10A. Roberts was wrong in his decision if one heeds the Constitution - he evidently gets a free pass for being a SC judge. None that have been on the bench during my lifetime have been stellar. Judges are fallible and have big egos. Ever seen a judge show on TV that was realistic? Me neither.
We live in a republic and not a democracy. We democratically elect people to represent us in congress and that is what they are doing. If you don't like it you can run for office. Republicans - not the TEA party - are doing their jobs per the Constitution. When was the last time a budget was passed? How about a balanced budget? Why does the president want to eliminate a ceiling on whatever debt the country can run up? Who is going to pay for PPACA? In essence, that is what the debt is for. Debt is counterproductive to this country, especially when we are in over our heads and will never pay it back. Maybe that was the point of attacking Syria and initiating WWIII. We could have killed those who own our debt and started with a clean slate. It's the only way out.
For some reason I keep seeing references to old people and conservatives and then people wishing them to go away or die. I assume these to be young progressive liberals...what do they want to liberally progress? Do you want to progressively become socialist and then go communist? Is that hip and cool these days? I suggest you look up the Federalist Papers and read what the framers of the Constitution went through before coming to terms with the document. They were students of history with more foresight than anyone in the past century when it come to governing people. Why do you think this is a republic rather than a democracy? That's a homework assignment so you have to do some research before firing off some asinine retort.
Is the Constitution a worthless set of laws for these people? If so, how do you think this country has survived this long, why have so many given their lives to defend it and why do so many people still try to? They believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. None of that comes free and the spoiled and entitled of you - most under age 30 - have never known what this means. When you finally see the light you will switch sides...believe me...and those rose colored glasses will disappear from your wardrobe. You errantly want gun control, free college, free health coverage, fun jobs, liveable wages, the big houses your mom and dad worked hard for and the car of your dreams - because its cool. That comes with a price and it is a huge premium. You surrender your rights and liberties for your false sense of entitlement. You will soon be serfs or worse...slaves to the state.
The bad part is that is the end game for those who are holding your strings.
Think about it...what good is tyranny if you have no underlings to do your bidding?
Most think it can't happen...LOL. It happened several time around the globe in the last century and you are probably unaware of it. Some of you might but think it to be cool. Stupid kids wore Che T-shirts in the 70s to show how cool they were. Why not shirts with the images of Hitler, Castro or Amin on them? Not cool enough? That's one of the problems with politics these days - its now popularity contests rather than an ability to uphold the law of the land...what got us here. They may not have done it perfectly for the first 230 years but we still exist. The USSR crumbled. BTW...they were communist as is China and a host of other 'cool' nations.
You are willing to throw away what you have inherited like an old rug and know not why...other than its cool.
I have no explanation for the adults in the room with the same views other than they love the Kool Aid. Wait until they spike it with cyanide. A narcissist did that last century and it didn't fare well for those who surrendered all for a fake utopia.
And what minority would that be? This isn't a Senate cloture vote. This is the House of Representatives we're talking about. It's proportioned by population, completely re-voted every two years, and ruled by an iron fist by the majority party. Minority opinions in the House of Representatives are summarily ignored. The reason we have a shutdown right now is because the majority of Americans put representatives in place that are willing to make it happen. I don't like the shutdown personally. I think the House would do better to focus on passing legislation they can get the President to sign. But to act like this is some minority action is a complete fraud. A clear majority of the House of Representatives is voting lock-step to make this happen.
Civics lessons aside, the House has shut down government over Obamacare in opposition to the Executive, Senate and Supreme Court and that makes it a minority action. Pretending that far right elements within the House have not been pressuring more moderate elements is naive. A lock step vote is nothing new. It is how they attempt to portray agreement.
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We live in a republic and not a democracy. We democratically elect people to
Sadly, we now live in a world were a good number of people (dare I say the majority) in this country, have zero comprehension of the difference between a Republic and a Democracy. They see that we democratically elect people, thus apparently assume that it means that we're a Democracy. It's almost funny, if it wasn't so sad, that we also have plenty of people ranting and raving about the Republican control of whatever, based on a "majority", yet want that majority control ability when it's favorable for them (and then continue to harp on others for flip flopping )
Further, virtually no one, whether they're Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Independent or whatever has any desire to actually listen to the other side to understand their viewpoints, or actually research history to see where we've been already. I get crap from my friends all the time because I tune into NPR on a regular basis - "WHY would you listen to those lying dirtbags?!?!? You should be listening to Rush, Beck, O'Reilly, etc!"
Many people don't want to fend for themselves, they want other people to do the work for them.
while ignoring the fact that in a Democracy the majority rules!
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Originally Posted by shaker281
Civics lessons aside, the House has shut down government over Obamacare in opposition to the Executive, Senate and Supreme Court and that makes it a minority action.
Well, that can't possibly be the case, because doesn't the majority rule?
So which is it? Does the majority rule as you say, or not?
Well, that can't possibly be the case, because doesn't the majority rule?
So which is it? Does the majority rule as you say, or not?
Playing word games, eh?
You tell me. Is democracy based on majority rule? Can the process be temporarily derailed?
Do the house elements pushing this agenda have nationwide majority support?
But most of all, will they prevail?
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