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The Rights of man do not give one man the right to steal money from another.
Ever heard of No Taxation Without Representation? Social Security was enacted by FDR and when the supreme court wouldn't uphold it he stacked the court with his own appointments.
I think you need to brush up on your history
Benjamin Franklin once said - "when the people can vote themselves money it will herald the end of the Republic"
Well we're basically at that point and the 18 Trillion of Debt is probably going to do it.
and you are the problem
No taxation without representation applied to a situation where the colonists were taxed by Britain, but could not elect members to the British Parliament. I hope you can see where I am going with this right now.
You vote to elect a Senator and a member of the House of Representatives. You can vote them out of office any time you want. Many have been voted out of office and I am sure in 2014, many more will be voted out.
We have taxation with representation these days. You can cry and moan about it all you want. That's how it works.
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America is generally not a simple "popular vote" voting system - look at the electoral college. The early guys were worried about the "tyranny of the majority" and included systems to ameliorate it.
True, but that very system has resulted in the passage of laws like the Social Security Act of 1938.
Again you never answered the question which was...
What gives you the right to tell me that I have to enroll in SS program? Your somewhat answers is that
- it was enacted a long time ago
- some people don't want to save for their own retirement
Well I don't want to participate, I work as an Actuary and I know the math. It is wealth redistribution from wealthy to poor and that makes it a scam.
Your arguments make me feel ill. You believe that you have a right to my money and you believe you have a right to tell me how to save for my own retirement.
We tried that and look what it got us? A retirement system that hurts people saving for their own retirement. It takes from the workers and gives to those who don't want to work.
Ever heard of Disability insurance? Mine through work cost about 40$ per month and it covers more than SS disability. That BTW is going broke by 2016, there is massive fraud by poor people who don't want to work. The government run Disability program is a complete failure better to let the private sector handle it. But we have people like you that love telling others what to do.
No thanks
Is that for long term disability benefits? Will you qualify for Medicare after being on for two years? Also, let's not forget that Title XVI Disability benefits are needs based and do not require contributions for entitlement.
No taxation without representation applied to a situation where the colonists were taxed by Britain, but could not elect members to the British Parliament. I hope you can see where I am going with this right now.
You vote to elect a Senator and a member of the House of Representatives. You can vote them out of office any time you want. Many have been voted out of office and I am sure in 2014, many more will be voted out.
We have taxation with representation these days. You can cry and moan about it all you want. That's how it works.
What's to stop the majority from taxing an unpopular minority or activity?
Ever heard of Disability insurance? Mine through work cost about 40$ per month and it covers more than SS disability. That BTW is going broke by 2016, there is massive fraud by poor people who don't want to work. The government run Disability program is a complete failure better to let the private sector handle it. But we have people like you that love telling others what to do.
No thanks
Poor people who don't want to work get poor benefits. Middle class people who don't want to work get higher benefits; i.e. they cost taxpayers more than do poor people.
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Poor people who don't want to work get poor benefits. Middle class people who don't want to work get higher benefits; i.e. they cost taxpayers more than do poor people."
What's to stop the majority from taxing an unpopular minority or activity?
The Bill of Rights would stop the very worst forms of taxation. For example, you couldn't have a tax against people based on their race, their sex, or religion. A tax on people with higher income? That's not prohibited.
However, a lot of you people seem to miss something very critical. The Constitution doesn't endorse a particular economic theory like laisse faire capitalism. I think that was done on purpose. The Founding Fathers wrote much of the document in vague general language because (1) It was the product of political compromise; (2) Keeping it vague and general required interpretation and gives it the flexibility to last over time.
Please try to remember that even if you like Ayn Rand novels, that she didn't write the Constitution.
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