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The poor will always lose if they choose to remain that way.
Why and how do you (and others) ascribe it to choice if it is a statistical reality that people born into poverty experience much more poverty? When you add in things like divorced or single parents, parents' occupation and parents' education (i.e. the additional variance beyond parental income), it explains well over 50% of future income.
So, unless kids choose any of those things, how do you imagine poverty to be a choice!? The world is unjust because we (as a society) allow it to be unjust. It is not just as is and the poor are not some wallowing, deserved underclass.
Why and how do you (and others) ascribe it to choice if it is a statistical reality that people born into poverty experience much more poverty? When you add in things like divorced or single parents, parents' occupation and parents' education (i.e. the additional variance beyond parental income), it explains well over 50% of future income.
So, unless kids choose any of those things, how do you imagine poverty to be a choice!? The world is unjust because we (as a society) allow it to be unjust. It is not just as is and the poor are not some wallowing, deserved underclass.
American system is pretty simple
- Attend Community College/University
- Study STEM degree
- Take out student loan
I believe the problem with poverty is two fold for the kids coming up.
The first is that their parents didn't navigate the education system well. They may be basically illiterate due to language or other reasons. They are unable to set a good example and help their child learn. Some kids come to school having never held a book before. ( last time I checked the library was free.)
The second problem is the environment and people surrounding these kids that do not believe in school. Why work hard and bust your tail for something you don't believe in?
The ones who I have taught that made it out had parents who were determined to get their kids a good education. They found someone to help their child with their homework. Their children had an inner drive to succeed. They wanted to be successful and believed that they could do it.
Why and how do you (and others) ascribe it to choice if it is a statistical reality that people born into poverty experience much more poverty? When you add in things like divorced or single parents, parents' occupation and parents' education (i.e. the additional variance beyond parental income), it explains well over 50% of future income.
So, unless kids choose any of those things, how do you imagine poverty to be a choice!? The world is unjust because we (as a society) allow it to be unjust. It is not just as is and the poor are not some wallowing, deserved underclass.
It's a choice to stick around.
I grew up with food stamps, welfare Christmas (try being grateful when you ask for wrestling shoes for Christmas because the ones you borrowed from lost and found are mismatched, different sizes and held together by athletic tape but the kind person who picked your gift brings you a really nice basketball). We lived in section 8 housing and my closest friends shoplifted and did drugs (you become friends with the kids in your neighborhood). I didn't do either of those as I knew they were not compatible with military service.
I left for Navy bootcamp hours after my high school graduation, and became certified to operate and maintain a nuclear power plant after two hard years of training, but all that paid off as I was taking home 60k a year at 20.
Boot straps.
Everyone likes to say college lifts one out of poverty. I disagree, it's military service in a technical field. Even if you don't practice that trade when you leave service, you still have the GI Bill, and a whole lot more discipline and maturity.
Why and how do you (and others) ascribe it to choice if it is a statistical reality that people born into poverty experience much more poverty? When you add in things like divorced or single parents, parents' occupation and parents' education (i.e. the additional variance beyond parental income), it explains well over 50% of future income.
So, unless kids choose any of those things, how do you imagine poverty to be a choice!? The world is unjust because we (as a society) allow it to be unjust. It is not just as is and the poor are not some wallowing, deserved underclass.
I choose not to be poor.
Three jobs at a time.....living in a camping trailer.
Of course, the poor will always lose the war......if they win they are no longer poor.
Well yes, but let's not act like it is 100% the fault of the poor.
The whole goal of capitalism is to exploit the poor. The best of the lower classes will rise up.
In order to be wealthy, someone else has to be poor. Not everyone can be wealthy. Wealth is all relative, anyway.. which is why monetary expansion has no bearing on who is actually rich or poor. The only thing that matters is the gap between the have(s) and the have nots.
Here is a tidy example:
There is $1,000 split between five idiots.
-In an ideal socialist utopia, all five idiots have $200.
-In a pure capitalist world, Idiot 1 has $960, and Idiots 2-5 have $10.
-In America (mixed economy), Idiot 1 has $500, Idiot 2 has $200, Idiot 3 has $100, Idiots 4 and 5 have $50
Remember, the $$$ value doesn't matter, it is just the gap. Idiot 1 is only wealthy by having more than the other idiots.
Since the beginning of organized civilization there have always been two groups of people, the haves and the have nots, the winners and the losers, the rich and the poor, the kings and the serfs. As part of our entitlement society, I am not sure why people in 2014 think it will be any different for them. Now with that being said, even the poor people in the USA have it pretty darn good compared to the rest of the world, but if you think you will ever be on an "even" level when it comes to wealth, that will never happen for a few reasons:
#1 The people that are telling you that it can happen only want one thing from you...your vote
- it his the politician's job to get you to feel angry, motivated why? So you will vote for "your guy" of course. Do you really think anyone you vote for really gives 2 ****s about you? Think about it.
#2 You will always buy their worthless junk
- Do you really need an ipad? Or even a Television? Capitalism is great at making people believe they need worthless junk. And the people bitching and moaning about the 1% are using their Imac to complain about while sipping a $6 latte. If you really want a true "socialist" or "fair society", go build a co-op, bet it wont last though, humans are inherently greedy.
#3 Why would they let you into their club?
- There are only a handful of the super wealthy and guess what? They aren't going to let you anywhere near them.
#4 You are too worried about what your neighbor thinks about you
- You went into debt to buy an overpriced hunk of metal? Really?
#5 The system is a pyramid scheme
- This goes back to #3, the way the system is setup, is that there is plenty of room for those at the bottom ,but not at the top. We need people to clean bathrooms, mow lawns, even do grunt work in an office building, what makes you think YOU are special? And even if you were special, you would have figured it out by now and wouldn't be poor.
I can think of many more but I didn't want to make this an epic 10 page post. GLTA!
What do you mean? The super-rich will always need people to serve them their food, wipe their asses, massage their feet and fetch them the paper, or carry them to the computer so they can read news online.
The poor will always lose if they choose to remain that way.
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Originally Posted by MDrenter223
It's a choice to stick around.
I grew up with food stamps, welfare Christmas (try being grateful when you ask for wrestling shoes for Christmas because the ones you borrowed from lost and found are mismatched, different sizes and held together by athletic tape but the kind person who picked your gift brings you a really nice basketball). We lived in section 8 housing and my closest friends shoplifted and did drugs (you become friends with the kids in your neighborhood). I didn't do either of those as I knew they were not compatible with military service.
I left for Navy bootcamp hours after my high school graduation, and became certified to operate and maintain a nuclear power plant after two hard years of training, but all that paid off as I was taking home 60k a year at 20.
Boot straps.
Everyone likes to say college lifts one out of poverty. I disagree, it's military service in a technical field. Even if you don't practice that trade when you leave service, you still have the GI Bill, and a whole lot more discipline and maturity.
That is a nice story, however the bolded statements are devoid of truth.
This is why I have so much contempt for the GOP and conservative mythology of "boot straps." Yes, the American Dream is definitely still alive and well. However, the goal of the wealthy is to wage class warfare on the poor. Wealth has to be preserved. That is why the GOP brainwashes its followers into this defunct ideology, while stripping all benefits to help the poor.
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