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Old 06-06-2014, 07:41 PM
 
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You can look at the situation in another light.

$15 x 40 hrs/week x 52 weeks = $31,200/12 months = $2600/month. Unskilled labor.

Currently, there are ads for experienced RN's with BSN's in Seattle with starting monthly of $4690.

Hmm......unskilled labor vs degreed and experienced RN?

That works out to a delta of $486 and change per week between the two.

Food for thought.
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Old 06-06-2014, 07:45 PM
 
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You can look at the situation in another light.

$15 x 40 hrs/week x 52 weeks = $31,200/12 months = $2600/month. Unskilled labor.

Currently, there are ads for experienced RN's with BSN's in Seattle with starting monthly of $4690.

Hmm......unskilled labor vs degreed and experienced RN?

That works out to a delta of $486 and change per week between the two.

Food for thought.


Well I'd take the 90k a year rn job in Seattle instead


Registered Nurse (RN) Admission Coordinator job - HealthCare Scouts - Seattle, WA | Indeed.com


Or 72k with no shift diff, per diem or overtime


http://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH01/ats/car...rce=Indeed.com


I could afford better food for thought
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:40 PM
 
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In 1960, a man working behind the counter in a hardware store or a car repair shop or on the factory line could support four kids and a stay-at-home wife in a modest home with one car and one television. A college kid spent $100 a year to attend a public university, maybe $500 for a private school.

So, what happened? The War on Poverty, the Great Society programs which vastly expanded government expenditures and budgets beyond sustainability. A huge increase in litigation, which drove up the cost of doing nearly everything. Vietnam, which ruined a whole generation of youth and sapped much of the country's prosperity. Elimination of the gold standard, which led to double digit inflation that ate away at people's savings and buying power.

Now we have a broken system, hugely in debt, an extra trillion in loans taken out every year just to pay for all those programs, and no national consensus on how to fix it.

Instead of even trying to fix the mess, we get politicians like that socialist councilwoman in Seattle or that lawyer/activist in the White House, who know nothing about business but believe that by legislating higher wages, they can make poverty disappear and create a better life for millions of low income workers. Crazy, that's what they are.

In reality, the only solution that can possibly work, that can possibly save the country, is to roll back the crippling burden of regulations and taxation that have crushed American businesses and driven much production and assembly offshore, and gradually driving services and white collar jobs offshore as well: call centers, accounting, even radiological consults have been moved to India for a fraction of the cost.

You don't help the patient by bleeding him dry. We need to be encouraging businesses to form and grow. That's the only real way to create jobs and generally encourage wage growth. Legislating wage growth doesn't work and in fact will merely encourage a faster lurch toward full automation of the food and restaurant industry and just about everything else that relies on unskilled labor.

Shrink the federal government until it's no longer borrowing $800B-$1trillion every year, and free up all that capital for private sector investment. Shrink the tax burden on businesses, cut or eliminate capital gains taxes, and anchor the dollar again to the gold standard so that the currency won't devalue any further. I doubt any of these things will ever get done, in our divisive, partisan, and low-information society that we are today, but at least someone has to try and get the word out.
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Old 06-07-2014, 01:10 AM
 
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The only reason why people refuse to do those jobs is because the wages are so low that you can't be financially independent. You either need a second job - which really really sucks - or you need help from family or you need a roommate or two (and the older you get the harder it is to find roommates that you actually know).

If mopping floors or flipping burgers actually paid a decent wage (it doesn't have to pay for vacations in Paris every year, but it should at least pay enough to live on with a modicum of comfort), you would suddenly see lines out the door to apply for a McDonald's toilet-cleaner job. The phrase, "Would you like fries with that?" would no longer be an admission of failure.
I'm amused how you have folks who say McJobs were never intended to support families, but then the same folks are criticizing those same people for staying on unemployment instead of taking the first job they can... the McJob, which was established isn't a livable wage.
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:24 AM
 
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When were people supporting families on MW..? Even during the "good old days"?

I think people are confusing manufacturing jobs with mcdonalds

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Old 06-07-2014, 06:29 AM
 
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In 1960, a man working behind the counter in a hardware store or a car repair shop or on the factory line could support four kids and a stay-at-home wife in a modest home with one car and one television. A college kid spent $100 a year to attend a public university, maybe $500 for a private school.

So, what happened? The War on Poverty, the Great Society programs which vastly expanded government expenditures and budgets beyond sustainability. A huge increase in litigation, which drove up the cost of doing nearly everything. Vietnam, which ruined a whole generation of youth and sapped much of the country's prosperity. Elimination of the gold standard, which led to double digit inflation that ate away at people's savings and buying power.
Sorry to interrupt but the reason college became so expensive is because Ronald Reagan, while Gov. of California, decided to make the free college system into a cash cow and other states soon followed suit.

Do carry on....
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Old 06-07-2014, 06:32 AM
 
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As for the notion that big corporations would have to raise prices to astronomical levels to provide a living wage...nonsense.

Wal-mart would have to raise the price of a box of mac-n-cheese one penny...$.01...and other items about the same to provide a living wage for every employee and still earn beaucoup bucks for the Walton heirs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAcaeLmybCY

Sorry about the ad...capitalism, you know.
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Old 06-07-2014, 06:41 AM
 
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In 1968, the minimum wage was raised to $1.60 - that's the equivalent of about $11 per hour today. $11 per hour is a fairly decent wage by today's standards, especially for someone in a no- to low-skilled position. I've known skilled laborers that didn't make $11 per hour. That being the case, the people making minimum wage in 1968 didn't see a long term lifting of their economic status. That $1.60's value in today's dollars was down to +/- $7 within 7 years. The market corrected itself...
Are you sure the minimum wage was to blame for inflation? It didn't have anything to do with, like, the 1970s oil crisis or anything? You know, short supply driving up costs and all that?
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Old 06-07-2014, 09:25 AM
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$15 is too high. Not every job is supposed to be a career. Some of these easy jobs are a good little income for a student or someone looking for some extra money that has another job. I am not a fan of so much government interference and raising it to $15 instead of a more modest raise is reckless IMHO.
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:27 AM
 
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Are you sure the minimum wage was to blame for inflation? It didn't have anything to do with, like, the 1970s oil crisis or anything? You know, short supply driving up costs and all that?
So why did the market correct itself the other umpteen times that minimum wage was raised? Are you saying that there was an oil shortage all those times too? Or was there a coincidental shortage of something else that just happened to occur within a couple years of every minimum wage increase in the last three quarters of a century

You failed to answer my question, by the way. What is the magic number which makes minimum wage lift people out of poverty?
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