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Old 08-15-2014, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Bretagne, FRANCE
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It's not just tax. Their welfare state has led to the fleeing of opportunities, followed by the fleeing of the young who want a better future.
Interesting that you say that. I moved to France, and my children's opportunities have been better here than if I had remained in the US.
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:27 AM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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I thought France was being destroyed by the immigrants that they regret letting into the country?
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Bretagne, FRANCE
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There are 2 young French families that showed up at a recent neighborhood get together and they are pessimistic about the direction of France and are happy to be working in the USA. France penalizes success and that is stagnating a creative people.
How does France penalise success?
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Bretagne, FRANCE
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I thought France was being destroyed by the immigrants that they regret letting into the country?
It will take more than one generation for (most) immigrants to comfortable assimilate into public life. It will happen, but it takes time... the same way it took time in the US.

(In the US you don't see 'No Irish Need Apply' anymore, and the gentlemanly anti-Semitism that I remember hearing as a small child is no longer common.)

Whilst open bigotry should never be acceptable -- people know better now --but social integration takes time.
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Sounds like the French fleeing their misguided nation in droves is nothing more than wishful thinking on the OP's part:

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What we do know is that this non-existent (so far) tax has been the clincher that sent hundreds, possibly thousands of French citizens abroad
Wow. That many ...
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Old 08-15-2014, 09:14 AM
 
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Sounds like the French fleeing their misguided nation in droves is nothing more than wishful thinking on the OP's part:


Wow. That many ...
Yep. It has been proven dozens of times that tax-flight by the wealthy is a myth. Some leave, but most don't. The amount that leave is not enough to offset the increased revenue. California since hiking taxes on the rich actually continues to have more people in those brackets move into the state than out of the state...
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Old 08-15-2014, 09:16 AM
 
Location: State of Denial
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Down and out: the French flee a nation in despair - Telegraph

Looks like not only the rich, but also the skilled and marketable individuals are also considering fleeing France.

We should welcome these people.
Only if they learn about modern standards for daily hygiene.
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Old 08-15-2014, 09:17 AM
 
Location: southern california
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france like us is a country that just cant say no to anything. the inevitable result is 75% tax rate. france is just a little bit ahead of us in the downward spiral but we are going the same direction.
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Old 08-15-2014, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Bretagne, FRANCE
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That kind of ignores the point I made. It doesn't show any numbers of people moving, taking jobs elsewhere, or any other movement measure. If people want to show that workers are fleeing they should show how many actually are doing so. That's how evidence, and even common sense, works.

Since the same evidence can show they are not moving to England but to Bulgaria, staying and trying to fix things, or attempting a takeover of Brazil with ironic t shirts. People take opinion polls and pull conclusions that they already think are true out of their butts because they already decided the conclusion. They were looking for something to support it. The exact opposite of how conclusions should be made.
I would be interested in knowing which people are leaving.

The richly employed, like top bankers, financial traders, highly-skilled tech people, and others like that, have always taken employment wherever they can find the best / most interesting / highly paid positions. There's nothing new about that.

Some middle-level people find an excellent opportunity abroad, and move (though there are fewer of these).

But with the EU, it's the kids who are on the move. Loads of them get out of school, and head off to some other country to live and work for a while. Some find better jobs over time, make attachments, settle down, and never come home to live. Most do return eventually, often with foreign partners.

BBC News - London, France's sixth biggest city
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Old 08-15-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: State of Denial
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CBN TV - France's Reckoning: Rich, Young Flee Welfare State
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