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Old 11-02-2014, 08:45 AM
 
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic east coast
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Interesting article...if I were a younger person and wanting to enter the job market, I would invest in a tech college or community college and get training in a needed field rather than spin my wheels trying to get a job with a degree in a field with few jobs.

Plumbers, electricians, Master mechanics, HVAC specialists, roofers, etc. will always be needed in our world -- and these hands-on jobs cannot be exported and done overseas.

Just my two cents worth.

I sure wouldn't go into thousands of dollars of school loan debt to obtain a degree that might not get me a job.
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Lebanon, OH
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I have been hearing Young adults today do not expect to live as well as their parents did since the late 1980s. The more the US ships good jobs overseas and shifts to a service economy and more people working for chicken feed the further the economy will be dragged down.
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Business ethics is an oxymoron.
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Can you blame them for being out for blood when everywhere they turn they are told "I'm sorry, but we need a doctorate in geology for you to dig those sprinkler trenches" or, "sorry-but that boxboy position requires a PhD in physics"?
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:27 AM
 
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Interesting article...if I were a younger person and wanting to enter the job market, I would invest in a tech college or community college and get training in a needed field rather than spin my wheels trying to get a job with a degree in a field with few jobs.

Plumbers, electricians, Master mechanics, HVAC specialists, roofers, etc. will always be needed in our world -- and these hands-on jobs cannot be exported and done overseas.

Just my two cents worth.

I sure wouldn't go into thousands of dollars of school loan debt to obtain a degree that might not get me a job.
i thought long and hard 40 years ago about what to do when my career as a pro drummer was on the rocks because of dj's coming on the scene.

after thinking and thinking for months i went with hvac tech .i am retiring from a related field to that choice 40 years later now and have never been unemployed ever.
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:28 AM
 
Location: West Paris
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Interesting article...if I were a younger person and wanting to enter the job market, I would invest in a tech college or community college and get training in a needed field rather than spin my wheels trying to get a job with a degree in a field with few jobs.

Plumbers, electricians, Master mechanics, HVAC specialists, roofers, etc. will always be needed in our world -- and these hands-on jobs cannot be exported and done overseas.

Just my two cents worth.

I sure wouldn't go into thousands of dollars of school loan debt to obtain a degree that might not get me a job.



Is a College Degree Still Worth It?
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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yes, it is now the equal of the old high school diploma. it only makes the less crappy jobs a better option you stand a chance at getting..

but what is not worth it is dropping big bucks on private expensive schools unless ivy league, as that will only hurt you and saddle you with debt.

without that degree you may not have a crack at even being considered. if no degree you need a trade .

the degree tells an employer , you have the ability to learn and to stay committed . the degree does not get you a job , you get you a job, the degree only gets you considered..
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Business ethics is an oxymoron.
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Yes-it's worth it, but not for what are the traditional reasons which include: higher pay, stability, advancement, etc. Those reasons do have merit in *some* fields. But the real, broader answer is another question: "do you wish to eat"?

Let's face it. The real value comes not from education, but for dealing with the realities of what you're up against: employers only wanting (and being able) to cream-skim the best of the best of the best. Furthermore, *many* employees require it really "because they can" and "because it was required of me, I'm requiring it of you"; i.e. I 'paid my dues and now it's your turn'."

If you're pursuing something that actually does require that level of schooling such as doctor, astronomer, psychiatrist, or whatever, that's one thing. But to hold someone back and refuse a promotion when they otherwise have demonstrable requisite skillsets and experience simply because they lack that diploma is, to me, borderline sadistic.
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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if you lived a generation ago you would understand that today it only brings you what the high school diploma did when i graduated in 1970.

most jobs above min wage required a high school diploma. today those same jobs require a college diploma.

but many kids today spend way way to much going to fancy expensive or out of state schools and that buys them zero in the job market.

unless you go to graduate school for law or medical school, a local university and living at home will fill the bill just as well.
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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Interesting article...if I were a younger person and wanting to enter the job market, I would invest in a tech college or community college and get training in a needed field rather than spin my wheels trying to get a job with a degree in a field with few jobs.

Plumbers, electricians, Master mechanics, HVAC specialists, roofers, etc. will always be needed in our world -- and these hands-on jobs cannot be exported and done overseas.

Just my two cents worth.

I sure wouldn't go into thousands of dollars of school loan debt to obtain a degree that might not get me a job.
I agree completely. However, what happens when A: they collectively decide to enter trade/service fields and create a glut there and B: when those who have decided to choose a trade, end up out of work when the housing bubble crashes again?

I think that one big problem is that many jobs just don't exist in America anymore. Outsourcing to countries like India or the Philippines for CSR, data entry and IT jobs (to name a few) isn't going to stop willingly when companies can get the same work done at a fraction of the cost.

This country has gotten itself in a hell of a mess and I'm not so sure that changing career focuses will make much difference in the long run.
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