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Old 05-04-2015, 05:35 AM
 
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You can't graduate high school and move out. You could do that until the 1980's but not anymore.
Yes, in the 60s and 70s, you could graduate high school and have a job just waiting for you. Unfortunately, it was in Vietnam and working conditions weren't so great.

Over time of course, there are pluses and minuses at the margins, but times are always tough for newly-minted, entry-level people, and 50- and 60-year olds with all their years of promotions and saving have always had what might seem like better suits and more clout. This is a basic fact of life-cycle economics. It isn't that older folks are cruel and evil. They are just at a different point in life. Soon they will be moving on into retirement. Their wage and salary incomes will fall dramatically and their savings flows will reverse. Guess who will take their place inside those better suits...

 
Old 05-04-2015, 05:50 AM
 
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There are way too many people >18 who actually *like* being dependent on their parents. And the parents encourage it. I don't mean paying for college, I mean that they still live at home and are taken care of like they are teenagers.
Then again, the last ten years have been dominated by the effects of the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. And this whole nuclear family thing where everybody moves out at an early age is really a very new development. Homes with three generations living in them were the norm not so long ago, and nobody dumped on Grandma and Grandpa for being there. Now it seems that living with family is a sign of moral turpitude. Kind of odd when you stop and think about it...
 
Old 05-04-2015, 05:56 AM
 
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The vast majority of politicians in both parties are owned by the same tiny group of hyperwealthy elite.
The view from space simply makes everything look smaller. Politicians are actually lobbied by and recieve donations from interests on all sides of any controversial issue. No matter how they vote on it, they will be seen as having been "owned" by somebody.
 
Old 05-04-2015, 10:31 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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The view from space simply makes everything look smaller. Politicians are actually lobbied by and recieve donations from interests on all sides of any controversial issue. No matter how they vote on it, they will be seen as having been "owned" by somebody.
There is a large "common interest" that often gets ignored, and that's where most of the public stands. Most people, no matter their politics, are not supportive of monied elites like Soros or the Koch Brothers calling the shots.
 
Old 05-04-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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And which trade is this? The industrial arts is the only way to make a decent wage without going to college or graduate school. If you want to be an engineer, lawyer, or health care professional, you're looking at 6-7 years of higher education.
That's the "inside the box" way of thinking and generally holds true. Two of the wealthiest Millenials I personally know are software engineers with no degree who founded their own businesses.
 
Old 05-04-2015, 01:16 PM
 
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I think it's necessary for millennials to start poor and make their way up. This way they can use their creativity to sprung up new ideals and businesses. Old folks need nest eggs.

The tools are everywhere for younger folks to succeed in this environment if they ain't so lazy.
 
Old 05-04-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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I think it's necessary for millennials to start poor and make their way up. This way they can use their creativity to sprung up new ideals and businesses. Old folks need nest eggs.

The tools are everywhere for younger folks to succeed in this environment if they ain't so lazy.
Excessive generalization detected.
 
Old 05-05-2015, 05:37 AM
 
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There is a large "common interest" that often gets ignored, and that's where most of the public stands.
People imagine that there is some large "common interest" out there. Most actual people are all over the map and haven't actually got a clue about anything at all. This is why they are so susceptible to disinformation and pop-media slop.

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Most people, no matter their politics, are not supportive of monied elites like Soros or the Koch Brothers calling the shots.
Soros and the Koch brothers contribute lots of money to candidates and causes they support and use that money also to try to convince others of the soundness of their own beliefs and opinions. You and I are doing that very thing by typing on this message board, and at least one of us contributes to favored candidates and causes as well. The problem you have here seems to be one of scale -- that there is some level of wealth where you cannot try to influence society or its politics anymore.
 
Old 05-05-2015, 05:43 AM
 
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I think it's necessary for millennials to start poor and make their way up. This way they can use their creativity to sprung up new ideals and businesses. Old folks need nest eggs.
How would this be particular to so-called millennials as distinct from any other so-called generation before them? Are you sure that making anything particular to any generation makes any sense?
 
Old 05-05-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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People imagine that there is some large "common interest" out there. Most actual people are all over the map and haven't actually got a clue about anything at all. This is why they are so susceptible to disinformation and pop-media slop.


Soros and the Koch brothers contribute lots of money to candidates and causes they support and use that money also to try to convince others of the soundness of their own beliefs and opinions. You and I are doing that very thing by typing on this message board, and at least one of us contributes to favored candidates and causes as well. The problem you have here seems to be one of scale -- that there is some level of wealth where you cannot try to influence society or its politics anymore.
People are all over the map about means, often not goals. Does anyone really oppose some vague notion of, say, "improving roads and infrastructure?" I live in Indiana where the roads are terrible and there is a significant political movement on both sides to repair roads and infrastructure. The means is where people differ, not on the goal of improving infrastructure itself. Improving infrastructure is a common interest most people have. Once you get out to more specific or fringe causes is where people often take polarizing sides.

There is a level of wealth where one can have, or at least have the appearance, of having too much influence for one individual or institution. There is a mayoral race now in Westfield, IN where a private donor donated $100k to the incumbent candidate. This at least gives the appearance this donor will have undue influence over the incumbent should the incumbent be reelected.
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