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Old 01-06-2009, 09:35 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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also, anyone who believes in the successes of socialised medicine should watch the space as falling tax revenue forces huge cuts and shortages.
The way I see it, Robbo, is that socialized medicine should have much higher priority than many other items on the govt agenda ..... but if a nation can't afford it, then there's not much to be done.

It's worth noting though that the total healthcare costs per person in the UK version of universal healthcare are less than those in the American crazy-quilt of systems, where emergency rooms take up the slack for those who aren't covered by insurance plans.
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Old 01-07-2009, 03:54 AM
 
Location: USA
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Yeah it's getting bad here in the US. Zimbabwe's standard of living will probably surpass ours in 20 years.
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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From what I saw and read, the NHS has room to cut some expensive services. Goodness, it pays for things like in-vitro fertilization and other expensive fertility procedures that no insurance company in the U.S. will cover. Plus, cosmetic surgery after cancer surgery.

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give it time. during the boom years, the nhs already had severe budget issues. now that the uk heads into the worst downturn for decades those budget constraints are going to worsen and cuts in services will become commonplace. don't get me wrong, our corporate healthcare in the US is worse as it has stiffled competition......


YouTube - John Stossel - Sick in America - Part 1 (of 6) the other 5 videos in this program are on youtube.
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:54 PM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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Some people seem to be delusional about the UK housing market, but prices there have fallen a lot measured in pounds, (if you measure in dollars they have fallen by A LOT). House prices fall by 16% year-on-year | Money | guardian.co.uk.

The article in the beginning doesn't make sense either, the GDP per capita in the US was about $46,000 in 2007. £23,250 = $35,423.70, the recession is bad, but it didn't take the GDP down by 25%, neither have had a huge immigration wave last year. The article is just plain inaccurate, or it is using a conversion rate from early 2008 £1 = $2.03, which hasn't been true for a long time, currently £1 = $1.52.

Let's get back to reality people, this recession is practically worldwide.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:37 PM
 
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From what I saw and read, the NHS has room to cut some expensive services. Goodness, it pays for things like in-vitro fertilization and other expensive fertility procedures that no insurance company in the U.S. will cover. Plus, cosmetic surgery after cancer surgery.

you're right. but you're also forgetting that there are cancer patients whose medication isn't provided on the nhs. bear in mind that many of these people were lulled into a false sense of security by the govt

ARGUS COMMENT: End cancer lottery now (From South Wales Argus)

Adults could be forced to take out private insurance to cover nursing home costs - Telegraph

Depression sufferers face postcode lottery for treatment - Sunderland Echo

i can pull up a thousand similar stories and the recession has only just begun. the pressure on govt is going to be enormous
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Old 01-07-2009, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Fort Myers Fl
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Anytime I hear people discuss socialized health care I always think about my stay in the hospital nine years ago when I recieved a transplant. I meet alot of people from countries with "free health care" getting transplants in the US.
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:37 PM
 
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News, Report: U.K. Set to Pass U.S. in Standard of Living.

I cannot believe it matters.

Why does everyone obsess over whether this Western country is better than that one? North America, Australia, NZ and most of Europe are all pretty much on par with each other, more or less. If one is better than another, its marginal at best, reflected in some statistic that few would notice in day to day life.

Now, if the US or the UK start to slide towards Zimbabwe, then I might have cause to worry.
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Old 01-09-2009, 06:59 AM
 
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Moth@

You´re right

Maybe it would be better, if our life standard was a little bit lower, i mean the life standard of the higher middleclass ...

But it´s a shame, if the weak, poor, ill and unskilled must hard struggle for his life in such a rich society like the USA, Canada, Australia or European states - And I think for the low and very low income people in america it´s harder than in any other rich "western" society
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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Poverty rates must respect more than the median income like in the US ... Read this Text:

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Fil...s/20070213.pdf
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:53 PM
 
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I lived over there for years; the standard of living is nowhere near as good as it is here.
I'm from there and I agree.
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