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Old 02-04-2015, 09:08 AM
 
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Economically, we do not necessarily ahve to rely on birth rate being at a certain level. We get an infinite supply of adult immigrants, who find work and pay tax here immediately. There is no baby sitting and waiting for people to grow up to be tax payers. You can get tax revenue NOW by immigration. No child care, no early education investment. It's all done by other countries.

We need not be concerned with low birth rate.
Importing a helot class and indoctrinating them to not integrate and support this country with "multiculturalism". What could go wrong?
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:10 AM
 
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Actually, I think this country is already past saving, so I hate to have all the well-educated people leaving a country I might move to one day.

These immigrants come from less materialistic and entitled countries, but then absorb our values and are damaged by them. Ultimately they don't change our culture for the better, but are changed by it. Let's face it: the US is a country in decline, taken over by the entitled, the materialistic, the politically correct, and the crony capitalists. I really don't want to train the rest of the world to think and act like us. Our media has already done enough damage on a worldwide basis.
Pre 1965 values, no. Post 1965 values, sadly yes.

Irony of history: we defeated the Soviets abroad, only to have their sympathizers infiltrate our academia, bureaucracy, and media.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:15 AM
 
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We need to absorb more of the worlds best and brightest. In fact, we may start seeing our capable people leave the USA if the economic climate goes further left. So we need to worry about losing good people. Do you want this country to be left with entitled people who are going to erect rules that will swallow themselves ultimately? You don't. Right? You want this country to be energetic, dynamic, and diverse. Without immigration, we would not have the edge we have today.

What happens when certain immigrants become the entitled people? What happens when the economic (and political) climate goes farther left and the immigrants are not encouraged to integrate and be loyal to their host nation? We are about to find out what Europe is finding out...
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:18 AM
 
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Not as much of an improvement as you might think. They're catching up fast. I expect we'll be surpassed within 20 years.

If we were smart we would embark on building projects and research investment not seen since the Great Depression.
You assume we will build the right projects. With the political class as it is, the projects might turn out to be the 21 century equivalent of the Maginot Line--which is a fine structure even today, but things did not turn out the way the builders had planned.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:34 AM
 
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What happens when certain immigrants become the entitled people? What happens when the economic (and political) climate goes farther left and the immigrants are not encouraged to integrate and be loyal to their host nation? We are about to find out what Europe is finding out...
You don't know the left, do you?

Immigrants are told that they should ditch their cars, embrace whatever left values, and do what the left dictates. Tell me how is that not forced integration? The left is all about integration and coercion.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:37 AM
 
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What happens when certain immigrants become the entitled people? What happens when the economic (and political) climate goes farther left and the immigrants are not encouraged to integrate and be loyal to their host nation? We are about to find out what Europe is finding out...
Most people are immigrants or offsprings of immigrants. So the answer to your question is more immigration. Continuous immigration.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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A rapid world population decline would lead to a global severe recession and great difficulty when the few young are having to support the many old.

I'm not saying people should always have 2.1 kids or whatever the replacement rate is, just that they shouldn't be dropping down to 0-1 en masse.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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You don't know the left, do you?

Immigrants are told that they should ditch their cars, embrace whatever left values, and do what the left dictates. Tell me how is that not forced integration? The left is all about integration and coercion.
"Integration" in the sense of adapting American values is strongly rejected by the Left. Sure, they like to socially engineer a ghetto parasite class dependent upon them (and to prey upon *us*), but that parasite class is taught to reject American values as well.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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Most people are immigrants or offsprings of immigrants. So the answer to your question is more immigration. Continuous immigration.
In the days gone by, they were encouraged to integrate and be fully American. No longer. Immigration post 1965 is NOT like it was in the Statue Of Liberty era.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:33 AM
 
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There are the social political reasons of the immigrants not sharing much with their host nation and changing the culture. Which we are seeing in Europe with many nations trying to mount counter measures against the culture of their young working immigrants.

If money is the sole concern then those immigrants will be remitting money back to the old country which will partially offset their adding a share to social security revenue
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