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The advice is not don't start a family, it's don't get a divorce. If you marry someone who is a true life partner you will always do better than you would have done by yourself. If you marry the typical immature entitled 20 year old who thinks they are owed everything, you are going to suffer. Your choice.
Exactly. Divorce is bad, bad, bad. One of the worst things you can do for yourself and your potential children.
Wouldn't it make more sense to have a family & able to work wife. That way if one of you is layed off the other person can cover for you. I can understand encouraging young couples not to be in a situation where one partner can not work or doesn't want to.
I disagree with OP point about not having kids....having kids will force you to be dedicated to your career. Everyone needs to made their own choices. I do agree with the point about delayed gratification that he raised though.
So if having kids will force you to be dedicated to your career, how is that necessarily a good thing?
You should keep working as much as you need to. You don't have to work that hard if you don't need more or if you're ready have enough.
This is very depressing. I do agree with you about our economy, the US is in steep decline and the millennial can expect nothing but dwindling resources as they grow older. However asking them not to have families will fall on deaf ears. In fact it will anger them, and in a way I wouldn't blame them. This economic problem was left to them by older generations, and they already hold bad feelings about it. It may sound like responsible advice to ask people who cannot afford to support families to not have children, but when the reason they cannot make the money to support them is not their fault and cannot be fixed in the forseable future I think they will simply ignore the advice. What will they do??? they will have children anyway and continue to do what they have been doing. They will vote in more socialism to compensate for the lack of economic opportunity. In short they will use their large numbers to vote in the redistribution of wealth from baby boomers and Gen xers (through taxes) back to them. We have Obamacare because millenials could not get the good jobs that would provide health insurance. It was Millenials who put the socialists in the white house and congress to begin with. Sadly with each new socialist program the nations economic problems will get worse. This death spiral of the US economy will continue until our nation is a shadow of its former self. We are in this nations end game.
They can vote for more socialism all they want but they are not going to get what they want. There is not enough money to go around and no opportunities to go around. Both political parties are in the pockets of the rich and affluent. Our biggest problem today is that we are no longer the center of these opportunities. Handouts are today's wealth; opportunities are tomorrow's wealth.
Someone made the point that having children forces you to be dedicate your career. But the reality is sometimes the opposite. It is people who do not have a family who can focus on their career and advance more than those who have a family. The thing is in this economy there isn't that time in your 20s or even 30s where you could say that you are done with school or you can put down your roots and have a family. You may be laid off at 40, you may have to get another masters degree. You may have to retrain yourself with new skills to move into another profession. There is so much that you have to do to even keep your job. You will be doing what people used to do their 20s in nearly every decade before you hit 70. How are you going to do that if you have all these obligations. This is why people complain that they can't even afford to move. Sometimes moving to a place with low cost of living and opportunities is one of the best solutions.
Someone made the point that having children forces you to be dedicate your career. But the reality is sometimes the opposite. It is people who do not have a family who can focus on their career and advance more than those who have a family. The thing is in this economy there isn't that time in your 20s or even 30s where you could say that you are done with school or you can put down your roots and have a family. You may be laid off at 40, you may have to get another masters degree. You may have to retrain yourself with new skills to move into another profession. There is so much that you have to do to even keep your job. You will be doing what people used to do their 20s in nearly every decade before you hit 70. How are you going to do that if you have all these obligations. This is why people complain that they can't even afford to move. Sometimes moving to a place with low cost of living and opportunities is one of the best solutions.
As my great grandmother used to say:
If your outgo exceeds your income
Your upkeep will be your downfall.
I just went through about 18 mons of not being able to work due to medical issues....
Every generation has its share of non-achievers and unmotivated people who believe that the previous generation didn't do enough for them or that for some reason, they are owed something beyond opportunity and a breath of air.
Water is not a right. That means unless you are willing to do something more than complain about life, you can quickly become extinct because you'll die of thirst.
There are people all over the world who would risk life and limb to have a chance to be homeless in the USA, yet we have so-called millennials complaining they don't have this or that.
Some people know what to do with opportunity and can find opportunity in every situation. Others want someone else to figure everything out for them.
How can you discern between the two? Simple: Explain to two people that in order to accumulate wealth, have a good life with the things they need and want all they must do is start a business.
I agree with the OP. and I did with the last few threads where he suggested the same exact thing. you gotta stop making these millennial threads though, because these boomers are like jaded pariahs waiting for another opportunity to put down a whole generation of people because their kids turned out to be losers.
Isn't "putting down a whole generation", exactly what you just did here? And aren't those "loser" children the millennials themselves? You've managed to combine hypocrisy and irony into one sentence. Sort of a double header of ignorance.
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of course there are exceptions to the rule, but who cares about those, right? when you hate on a whole generation of people, it just puts a warm, fuzzy feeling in the pit of your stomach and all is good with the world. nevermind the fact you didn't teach your kids work ethic, respect, values, or initiative, so they turned out to be lazy, xbox playing, basement-dwelling couch potatoes. that's not their fault, its society's fault. must be all the BPA in those plastics turning them young'ins insane.
I believe the "pariahs" and "losers" are the exceptions, not the other way around. I defended the millennials (post 34) and will continue to do so. As an individual you are simply doing exactly what you are railing against: generalizing.
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of course the breeders will disagree with not having kids & tying yourself down. most of them are miserable and want everyone else to be miserably because it's the world's fault that their cheap gas station condom broke, now they're subjected to an 18 year sentence of hell....
either that or they value parenting more than financial security or financial independence, which I guess isn't a bad thing either. but before you all jump down my throat, of course this doesn't apply to this forum. most of you are do-gooders with 7 kids and $1.5 million net worth livin' the cosby show life and think raising kids is such a "rewarding" experience, even when theo huxtable skins his knee from a rough basketball game.
Based on this post, I believe you have made the exact right choice not to become "tied down" with children. If I may be so bold as to speak on behalf of society, I say "thank you".
I am curious though, what not being tied down has enabled you to do? Must be some heavy stuff man!
They can vote for more socialism all they want but they are not going to get what they want. There is not enough money to go around and no opportunities to go around. Both political parties are in the pockets of the rich and affluent. Our biggest problem today is that we are no longer the center of these opportunities. Handouts are today's wealth; opportunities are tomorrow's wealth.
There may not be enough money but that will not stop them. The federal government just prints or borrows money when it does not have enough, and those who want more freebies know it. The millenials are a very large group of people and they do have the power to force their will upon this nation. Obamas election was their doing, and all the sweeping social changes in this nation are their doing as well. All efforts to stop these things have failed, and the "progressive" movement continues. The millenials in general are an angry group of people, and if they do not get what they want there is no telling what they will do to get it. Legions of angry unemployed/underemployed young people is very dangerous to a society. If a productive use for them does not exist it is possible they could revolt. Think about how the occupy movement could have gone if it were taken to extremes. I do believe the millenials are very socialist leaning, and at some point if their lot does not improve they may take more serious actions. Of course socialism does not work, in fact I hate socialism. However the writing is on the wall, these kids are angry and eventually they may act on it.
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