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Old 05-18-2015, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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The reality is most Americans do not want foreign workers coming in and taking their jobs, BUT, they have no problem with demanding cheaper prices on the goods and services they buy even if it means using a business that hires foreign workers to keep cost low.
Rubbish. It's extremely un-American to expect someone to suffer financially for your own gain. A fair day's pay for a fair day's work was the motto not too long ago in this country.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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This has ever been true.

I remember a report on 60 Minutes, maybe 30 years ago. It was about farmers in New England who had to fly Jamaicans in on airplanes to bring in their apple harvest. They were paid GOOD wages (not slave wages) plus the airfare plus room and board. They interviewed several unemployed americans who refused to do the work.

Let's face it, Americans have a sense of entitlement that can't compete with abject poverty in a third world country.

I don't get why people keep beating this 'Immigrants take our jobs' drum when the real issue is: Illegal immigrants don't pay income taxes and contribute to the infrastructure of the country.

What would happen if we started charging state and federal sales tax instead of income tax?
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:30 AM
 
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Rubbish. It's extremely un-American to expect someone to suffer financially for your own gain. A fair day's pay for a fair day's work was the motto not too long ago in this country.
Have you insisted to pay more for steak to have it cut by a union butcher?
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:46 AM
 
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I mean... it sounds simple and logical to me. However, bigotry and xenophobia are not logical.

What's not logical is the assertion that anyone who disagrees with you is bigoted and xenophobic....

which would mean I suppose that the policy of every non-Western nation on the planet is bigoted and xenophobic because none of them adhere to such a stupid self-destructive immigration policy as we do. Excuse me, I meant "such a wonderfully altruistic and multicultural immigration policy as we do".

And we do..
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:49 AM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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You must not have been around the home construction business lately if you believe the title of this thread.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:58 AM
 
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Illegal aliens generally do the jobs most Americans will not.

Who wants to pick tobacco by hand in North Carolina in August?

It's one of the few positions legally available for illegal aliens.

Who? Well I know tobacco picked by hand in North Carolina in August or any other month was done by American teenagers on Summer Vacation, at least when I was living in that part of the country.. I was one of them, and we were all born right here in this country. Illegal aliens come to this country to work because they CAN.... and it's smart because they get paid more money for the same menial work they would do back home for slave wages.

Then most of them send the money back home. That's smart too.

If this video touts such a brilliant economic fact, then ask yourself why every country on the planet isn't doing it. In fact, ask yourself why you can't pick up and go anywhere in the world you want to go and just start working there tomorrow like you were born there. Give it a shot.

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Old 05-19-2015, 07:29 AM
 
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Precisely true!

And what happens when you import a bunch of low-skill poor people who don't know english. Productivity declines. Why? Because cheap labor *decreases* the incentive to invest in labor saving tech and equipment. The guy above delivering food by bicycle is a good example.

If the imported workers were *higher* in skill and education than the median in the country, then you would expect a beneficial influence on the economy.
And the entire point of investing in labor-saving technology and equipment, automation, etc. is to reduce the number of human workers needed in production. And that means any human worker...American born, foreign born, white, black, yellow, other, male, female.......

The guy on the bicycle will have the last laugh.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:10 AM
 
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The argument that "Americans won't do these jobs and so we need immigrants" is at best a half truth.

What those who want to exploit labor fail to understand is that the market has a way of solving these problems too. If an employer has a job that has such bad working conditions and pay that no one wants to do it, he is going to have to raise pay and make the job more desirable if he wants to find workers. The real problem is many employers don't want to do that. In their minds, the market should only work one way--in their favor.

I suspect there would be no trouble finding workers to pick cherries, apples, or whatever if every worker earned the equivalent of $10.00 per hour. If the job requires undue physical exertion, the solution is to give more than the legally required breaks during the day. Set up tents out in the field and let the workers relax for longer periods. Provide plenty of gatorade and other beverages to help them deal with thirst and loss of electrolytes. Such an employer will have plenty of job applicants.

Will the cost of these things go up? Of course it will. However, that too, is the market in action.

There is no God-given right to employ someone in the USA at starvation wages.

I say tighten the borders, reduce illegal immigration, and the market will take care of many of these problems.

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Old 05-19-2015, 08:45 AM
 
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I say tighten the borders, reduce illegal immigration, and the market will take care of many of these problems.
Well, either the market or Cesar Chavez, may peace be upon him.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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And the entire point of investing in labor-saving technology and equipment, automation, etc. is to reduce the number of human workers needed in production. And that means any human worker...American born, foreign born, white, black, yellow, other, male, female.......
And why do you think that is a problem? We'd still be a nation of subsistence farmers without that.

Simple consumer capitalism. Tech reduces man-hrs needed to produce product or service, and this increases aggregate wealth. We all get richer providing new products and services, rinse and repeat.
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