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Old 11-02-2015, 04:17 PM
 
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I think so.

Since all transactions can be traced back easily with electronic system be it credit card or other means, there will be no tax evasion and possible much less crime.
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Old 11-02-2015, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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I think so.

Since all transactions can be traced back easily with electronic system be it credit card or other means, there will be no tax evasion and possible much less crime.

People will find other mediums to trade stolen goods.
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Old 11-02-2015, 08:15 PM
 
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You have mixed two un-related concepts.

Tax Evasion and Crime Deterrence.

While Tax Evasion may be a Crime -- Criminals are NOT motivated to commit Property and Economic Crimes to Evade Taxes.

Tax Evasion can occur with out regard to Paper Cash. Tax Evasion occurs in the Accounting of Cash/Credit/Assets/Expenses . . . on and on. Has NOTHING to do with Paper Money, or using Cow Dung. It is just about how the piles of dung or accounting is sorted out.

The cure to Crime is even more simple. Crime cannot occur in the Absence of Criminals. Sounds like a tautology, but it is true. Simply stop tolerating Criminals, and Crime ceases.
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:20 PM
 
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my point was how can criminals operate when cash is not in use.

You see? It is impossible to launder money or sell drugs or prostitution or guns without cash. Everything else can be traced easily.
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Old 11-02-2015, 10:08 PM
 
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Cash is not required to evade taxes, plenty of people/corporations cheat the system with tax exemptions and deductions.

Apple parks more offshore cash than all the drug money in the world.
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Old 11-02-2015, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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my point was how can criminals operate when cash is not in use.

You see? It is impossible to launder money or sell drugs or prostitution or guns without cash. Everything else can be traced easily.
Let me explain to you a smuggling operation. It is not a group out there of experts who do, day to day, the business of getting something past the authorities, who have refined their business so they are a well oiled machine. Rather, it is the coming together of many groups for the operation and when the operation is done, they break apart and go their separate ways.

So we may have some people who do the security, some who know where to penetrate the border, different guides at different points along the way, those who know where the land mines are in some areas, the forgers, the financiers, the enforcers, and so forth.

A participant's payment may not be in cash, it might be in drugs, it might be in repayment of a favor, perhaps it is for a little muscle in a local problem, perhaps it is payment in the form of whatever is being smuggled (drugs, guns, gems, people, etc).

So we get back to the point of "how can criminals operate when cash is not in use" only to get the point of "criminals often operate by not using cash".

THE OTHER THING is that it is likely the common citizen would not appreciate or even want a government that could track everything that they buy, that they own because cash was replaced by a tracking system.

Thurgood Marshall wrote in one of opinions that if freedom from unreasonable search really meant anything, it is being able to be free in one's thoughts, in one's beliefs in their home, of being able to read what they wish (been about 10+ years since I've read the case, so I'll have to look it up, even to see what the case was about).

Hence, replacing or banning cash and going totally electronic may be against the 4th amendment.

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Old 11-03-2015, 03:50 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Okay, found it, it is Stanley vs Georgia (1968): (was sort of in error to which amendments were in question)

".......These are the rights that appellant is asserting in the case before us. He is asserting the right to read or observe what he pleases - the right to satisfy his intellectual and emotional needs in the privacy of his own home. He is asserting the right to be free from state inquiry into the contents of his library. Georgia contends that appellant does not have these rights, that there are certain types of materials that the individual may not read or even possess. Georgia justifies this assertion by arguing that the films in the present case are obscene. But we think that mere categorization of these films as "obscene" is insufficient justification for such a drastic invasion of personal liberties guaranteed by the First and Fourteenth Amendments. Whatever may be the justifications for other statutes regulating obscenity, we do not think they reach into the privacy of one's own home. If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a State has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his own house, what books he may read or what films he may watch. Our whole constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds........."

STANLEY v. GEORGIA | FindLaw
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Old 11-03-2015, 05:12 AM
 
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Cash is not required to evade taxes, plenty of people/corporations cheat the system with tax exemptions and deductions.

Apple parks more offshore cash than all the drug money in the world.
That's tax avoidance, which is markedly different from tax evasion.
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:52 AM
 
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my point was how can criminals operate when cash is not in use.

You see? It is impossible to launder money or sell drugs or prostitution or guns without cash. Everything else can be traced easily.
Really? I mean you really think this?

Not being harsh but this cannot make sense to you?

I do not think we should use City-Data as a way to make clever reverse engineering for Criminal Methods, or a Tips Page, but you can think of ways to do all sorts of ways to do Criminal Activities without Cash, can't you?

Entire Banks are dedicated to exactly what you are describing.
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Old 11-03-2015, 08:05 AM
 
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I think so.

Since all transactions can be traced back easily with electronic system be it credit card or other means, there will be no tax evasion and possible much less crime.
Have you heard of bitcoin? There are numerous ways to avoid taxes and tracking banning cash would result in a boom in things like bitcoin.
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