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The whole purpose of our government is to be a playground for politicians to play their games. How would having more jobs for poor people help with that?
No, that is absolutely NOT the purpose of government. Sadly, it has become a characteristic of the elected part of our government at federal, state, and local levels.
The good part of this is that it is the elected part. We, as the electorate, have control over it. We hired these clowns; we can fire them as well. We can vote them out of office.
The vast majority of people in government at all levels work well and work hard. Congress, on the other hand, is a mess and a disgrace. The Senate is the most effective and responsive of the two chambers (which isn't saying much), but the House is a dysfunctional mess. And this type of dysfunctional mess has spread to state legislatures.
Government at its highest levels is supposed to govern. It is failing to do so. Let's change it.
Should the govt create more govt jobs instead of welfare programs so that people can be productive and have a sense of pride in themselves. If the private sector is not providing enough jobs why doesn't the fed govt just create jobs instead of just handing out welfare?
When I go on to USA jobs it is cut throat for people who actually want to work.
No. Employers need to be heavily fined(not taxed) for not opening up jobs.
The gov's job requirements are over the top, so the entry barrier is HUGE; Take me, stay at home mom trying to find a job again and it's IMPOSSIBLE for me to work for the Gov now having "sahm employment gap". So I can't get a job in the private sector or the gov...So, next time one of you complains that we're on welfare TAKE A CLOSER LOOK at what we have to deal with to get BACK to work.
The whole purpose of our government is to be a playground for politicians to play their games. How would having more jobs for poor people help with that?
The purpose of a GOV is to PROTECT the citizens of X country. Not take advantage of them.
The issue with ours is that it's made from former CEO's/GREEDY Employers, and not people with political degrees. The entry in that senate is how many zeros are in X's bank account, and NOT any sort of education credentials. Our Gov is F*ked up badly, and people are too lazy and scared to change its structure and start over clean.
So "create jobs" by paying someone to "dig out a ditch?" Then paying someone else to "fill it in?" NO THANK YOU.
The private sector is not "creating enough jobs" precisely BECAUSE the government insists on doing everything the private sector could do. The excessive taxes and regulations of this administration has crowded out private sector investment.
And for the record "big government" did NOT get us out of the Great Depression, WWII did. Big government turned a "recession" into a "depression."
Hey I am supporting 4th generation welfare, who think it's abuse to walk to the mail box for their check and so is anyone else holding down job, living on limited retirement and paying taxes.
The people the welfare system was created for (workers without jobs) rarely make use of it.
I say turn that money into "you want this check? Get off your dead hind end and do some THING to earn it.
I doubt you were around from 1933 to 1943, when Congress suspended the WPA so anything you think you know, you read it in a book.
I would not go so far as to glorify WW II As the absolute for saving the country.
Yes, and in place of unemployment insurance and the minimum wage as well.
There should be a government program that pays enrolled $12/hour. Three weeks vacation and Medicaid as well. Eight hours per day, five days a week.
People who collect welfare or unemployment should be enrolled in this instead. The minimum wage would be abolished. All the burger flippers could enroll in the $12/hour program instead. This would encourage Wal-Mart and the others to increase their wages to a competitive level but not mandate it. It's possible some people might prefer a lesser wage to the $12 programs due to their particular circumstances.
The enrolled could do things like rake leaves, mow lawns, clean sidewalks, etc. Many things that need doing but are getting done.
That's true, most historians agree that WW2 was the most leveraging thing that got us out of the depression. But it seems no one has the stomach for war so we are all just going to scrape for what little we can get and exist until we die. Very few can flourish when there are almost 10 billion people on earth and over 300 million just in the USA.
The only people flourishing now are the families that built up wealth immediately after WW2 or after Vietnam.
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So "create jobs" by paying someone to "dig out a ditch?" Then paying someone else to "fill it in?" NO THANK YOU.
The private sector is not "creating enough jobs" precisely BECAUSE the government insists on doing everything the private sector could do. The excessive taxes and regulations of this administration has crowded out private sector investment.
And for the record "big government" did NOT get us out of the Great Depression, WWII did. Big government turned a "recession" into a "depression."
Should the govt create more govt jobs instead of welfare programs so that people can be productive and have a sense of pride in themselves. If the private sector is not providing enough jobs why doesn't the fed govt just create jobs instead of just handing out welfare?
When I go on to USA jobs it is cut throat for people who actually want to work.
Quite true. And I feel strongly that welfare recipients can help meet vital public needs, benefiting themselves and society in the process.
A recent NY Times editorial, Build a New Hudson River Tunnel discusses the need for a new rail tunnel to protect against what Senator Chuck Schumer calls "“a regional transportation Armageddon.” As the editorial describes it "(t)he first step would be a meeting of all parties that would benefit from the project, including representatives from Amtrak, New Jersey Transit, the states of New Jersey and New York, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the federal government and Congress. Each of these institutions will have to participate, and each will eventually 'write a check.'" There is a sorely missing group of parties here the construction unions, the governmental officials in charge of "poverty" programs and "community organizers.
While Tappan Zee litigation continues relating to "the wage difference between carpenters and dock builders" where "(c)arpenters are paid $70.11 per hour, compared with dock builders that make $92.47 per hour" no consideration is given to a "workfare" program where benefits recipients would apprentice and be paid, say, $22 an hour to learn a trade and $40-$45 per our when working at these trades. The cost numbers of $20 billion to build these tunnels and related train station improvements is eye-popping and ultimately unfeasible. No matter how badly needed nothing is going to get built at those figures.
There are other projects just as urgently needed. New York needs at least one more water tunnel, so the existing three water tunnels can be shut down seriatim and rebuilt. Again labor costs are prohibitive. Other gold-plating on these projects needs to be removed, but all must participate. These projects must happen and the costs must be made bearable. Using welfare recipients and prisoners who are near the end of their sentences would be a place to start.
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